Opinion VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[sr36]

I'd hazard a guess that it's because when West Coast had less than 23 available players, everything from poor strength and conditioning coaches, lazy players, poor facilities etc were blamed and we were basically told to have a top-up player or two and harden up. Now it happens to a Victorian club and we have to change the game.

Why wasn't it raised last year, why does it take Victorian clubs having an injury crisis for it to be an issue?

Which AFL representative told WCE that they had lazy players who needed to harden up? Or are you talking about supporters being biased? The Collingwood home crowd was cheering for Collingwood and not Adelaide on the weekend - it was outrageous vicbias. Is that the sort of thing we're complaining about now? #vicsupporterbias.

 

[doppleganger]

Which is probably why they scheduled west coast, the wooden spooners, to play Collingwood, the premiers, at the ground they aren't as good at. If we were a finals quality team the game would've been played at the G.

Not true at all.

Pies have that FIXture every year, a home game at Marvel against a non-vic team.

WC fixture and getting the Pies at Marvel and Dees in NT in 2015 helped them sneak 2nd on H&A ladder and get undeserved home finals in 2015.

The only times both the home and away teams get on a plane is when the home team has made a financial decision to sell the home game

Yeah exactly, because the AFL forced clubs out of their home grounds and into two big stadiums that are suited to BLOCKBUSTERS.

The teams who are forced to sell home games are the disadvantaged clubs, as they give up hime ground advantage.

The H&A fixture and ladder shows that teams who retain an actual home ground advantage are favoured and consistently dominate the top of the H&A ladder.

It really shouldnt be hard to follow, home ground advantage is real.

AFL policy deliberately reduced it for one select group of teams, the Melbourne based teams.

But the WA whingers continue to sook that it is them as the away team who are supposedly disadvantaged.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Not true at all.

Pies have that FIXture every year, a home game at Marvel against a non-vic team.

WC fixture and getting the Pies at Marvel and Dees in NT in 2015 helped them sneak 2nd on H&A ladder and get undeserved home finals in 2015.


Yeah exactly, because the AFL forced clubs out of their home grounds and into two big stadiums that are suited to BLOCKBUSTERS.

The teams who are forced to sell home games are the disadvantaged clubs, as they give up hime ground advantage.

The H&A fixture and ladder shows that teams who retain an actual home ground advantage are favoured and consistently dominate the top of the H&A ladder.

It really shouldnt be hard to follow, home ground advantage is real.

AFL policy deliberately reduced it for one select group of teams, the Melbourne based teams.

But the WA whingers continue to sook that it is them as the away team who are supposedly disadvantaged.

So basically WC only got 2nd in 2015 because we played 13th placed Melbourne in Darwin, to benefit Melbourne financially because they can't fill enough seats at the MCG and beat them by 10 goals and then beat the 12th placed pies at Marvel by more than 5 goals but would've lost if the game was up the road at the MCG? Getting into desperate territory now mate. Given we only had the privilege of playing at the MCG once that season before playing there in the grand final it's a pretty safe bet that both WC and collingwood would have been disappointed the game was scheduled at Marvel instead.

Of course home ground advantage is real, but not travelling vs travelling would be an even greater advantage. Also ironic that we get told there is magically no home ground advantage on grand final day whenever that is brought up. Not only did we miss out on another game at the G that you claim supposedly benefits us, we also travelled the most that season, went to Brisbane, Gold Coast, Tasmania, Darwin, and then went on to finish higher on the ladder and win our first final against the team we eventually had to travel to and play on their home deck in the grand final. Somehow this is all to our benefit according to you, despite what your own coach says.

Put the pipe down champion.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Heh

MSN

 

[CarterS]

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

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Its kinda funny once they are in that position they really see the landscape of QLD AFL challenges.

 

[doppleganger]

Given we only had the privilege of playing at the MCG once that season before playing there in the grand final it's a pretty safe bet that both WC and collingwood would have been disappointed the game was scheduled at Marvel instead.

WC were horrible at the MCG in the early to mid 2010s...especially against Collingwood.

By avoiding the G during H&A gave you a better chance of a win, and thus improved finishing position.

Of course home ground advantage is real

Funny how WA whingers push that Melbourne based teams supposedly enjoy an away ground "home ground" advantage too.

Not travelling vs travelling would be an even greater advantage.

This is your position, but is there any stats to back it up?

Wins per season based on kms travelled etc

Home ground advantage was greater back in the 20th century then it is currently.

Went on to finish higher on the ladder and win our first final against the team we eventually had to travel to and play on their home deck in the grand final. .

Hawthorn travelled more than WC at the business end of 2015.

The Hawks also were dudded by copping a "home" game at Marvel against a non-vic team who was just as familiar with during 2015 H&A season, which they lost.

Have that game at their MCG home, where they enjoy a home ground advantage, they likely win that and then actually finish as minor premiers.

As said, the biggest issue in the H&A fixture is Melbourne based clubs not getting their home games at home where they should enjoy a home ground advantage.

Compared to SA and WA teams who get ALL home games at home, but then play away games at alternate grounds. This distorts the H&A ladder, and teams that retain a true home ground advantage are over-represented at the top end.

Have a fair H&A fixture in 2015, Hawks finish minor premier.

 

[Cam Payne]

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Named and shamed would be nice, but they have no shame.

 

[bzparkes]

So, guess we can confirm that Vic clubs with high injury tolls are simply unfit and lazy.

We changed our whole S&C regime and 'lo and behold, low injury list this year.

Collingwood and Richmond should probably take a leaf out of WCE's book and seriously look at their S&C teams and make the appropriate changes.

Kane Cornes was right.

 

[Pedagogy]

15 to 2 vic premiers in the last 17. Imagine if that was the other way round and the panic! Two more vic premiers over the next couple of seasons will have us “interstate” suckers maybe start asking serious questions. Like a lot of vic posters have said, we interstaters need to start taking action by not going and watch local leagues. Money ultimately talks! I mean all the talk is Sydney this year but they’ll still have to play at the G in the big one. And if they’re playing Collingwood or Melbourne or Carlton I know who I’m tipping. Play a strong taxing year of football to ultimately play on someone else’s home ground, even when finishing top is ridiculous?!

 

[bzparkes]

15 to 2 vic premiers in the last 17. Imagine if that was the other way round and the panic! Two more vic premiers over the next couple of seasons will have us “interstate” suckers maybe start asking serious questions. Like a lot of vic posters have said, we interstaters need to start taking action by not going and watch local leagues. Money ultimately talks! I mean all the talk is Sydney this year but they’ll still have to play at the G in the big one. And if they’re playing Collingwood or Melbourne or Carlton I know who I’m tipping. Play a strong taxing year of football to ultimately play on someone else’s home ground, even when finishing top is ridiculous?!

Well, last time there wasn't a Vic premier for 6 years, the precious little darlings demanded a royal commission into the state of Vic footy.

Must've worked, considering they've managed to engineer 15 of the last 17 flags to go to Vic clubs.

 

[Farang83150]

Vicbias is on show in the media today. Freo go through an injury crisis a few years ago and it's suck s**t your teams ****ed. WC gone/going through it and it's all because you're lazy. Tigers start going through it and OH MY WORD WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! That's vicbias.

Spot on.

 

[Captivating]

Its kinda funny once they are in that position they really see the landscape of QLD AFL challenges.

Especially when they thought it was outrageous to travel 1.5km across the city to Marvel.

 

[sr36]

i see.....

Collingwood travel 4 or 5 or 6 times outside victorian soil every season.


Why doesnt Western Australia need another side? I think a 3rd and 4th side would work.

Travel and home ground advantage are different concepts.

WA teams have a disadvantage in terms of travel. They don't in terms of home ground.

A third team in WA could definitely be supported by population and footy support, but the issue is how do they get a big enough supporter base. You'd have to dissolve WCE and try to split their supporter base

 

[bzparkes]

Travel and home ground advantage are different concepts.

WA teams have a disadvantage in terms of travel. They don't in terms of home ground.

A third team in WA could definitely be supported by population and footy support, but the issue is how do they get a big enough supporter base. You'd have to dissolve WCE and try to split their supporter base

Yes, dissolve the richest club in the competition.

Great idea.

If they put a team in the southwest, it could work.

Personally, I'm against it however.

 

[sr36]

Yes, dissolve the richest club in the competition.

Great idea.

If they put a team in the southwest, it could work.

Personally, I'm against it however.

I wasn't advocating for it. I was saying a third club in WA is going to be a pauper club.

But seeing this thread is big on killing clubs in order to create more equitable travel, surely dissolving WCE should be raised as an option too? Best way of getting three viable clubs in WA and reducing travel for WA teams - don't you think?

 

[Yoda_]

My take away is in 2024, with a billion dollar industry the AFL does not own a single private jet to accommodate these clubs.

Staggers me

 

[oak79]

As said, the biggest issue in the H&A fixture is Melbourne based clubs not getting their home games at home where they should enjoy a home ground advantage.

That is A issue, a bit rich saying it's the biggest issue.

In fact it works in Geelong's favour - they are far and away the most advantaged team

They get:

A HG advantage similar to non-Vic teams
The less-travel advantage of Vic teams
Home games at the MCG (as well as away games) makes the G more of a neutral venue come finals.

 

[sr36]

That is A issue, a bit rich saying it's the biggest issue.

In fact it works in Geelong's favour - they are far and away the most advantaged team

They get:

A HG advantage similar to non-Vic teams
The less-travel advantage of Vic teams
Home games at the MCG (as well as away games) makes the G more of a neutral venue come finals.

They get royally screwed in finals though.

 

[Captivating]

My take away is in 2024, with a billion dollar industry the AFL does not own a single private jet to accommodate these clubs.

Staggers me

Why own and operate a jet when you can suck in Virgin or Qantas to pay for the privilege under the guise of "sponsorship"

 

[Drought Break]

15 to 2 vic premiers in the last 17. Imagine if that was the other way round and the panic! Two more vic premiers over the next couple of seasons will have us “interstate” suckers maybe start asking serious questions. Like a lot of vic posters have said, we interstaters need to start taking action by not going and watch local leagues. Money ultimately talks! I mean all the talk is Sydney this year but they’ll still have to play at the G in the big one. And if they’re playing Collingwood or Melbourne or Carlton I know who I’m tipping. Play a strong taxing year of football to ultimately play on someone else’s home ground, even when finishing top is ridiculous?!

makes you wonder how the Melbourne Storm manage to do it. Playing away from home, winning grand finals in Sydney many times this century. Always in the top 4. Don't see them whinge about NSW or QLD bias.

 

[bzparkes]

makes you wonder how the Melbourne Storm manage to do it. Playing away from home, winning grand finals in Sydney many times this century. Always in the top 4. Don't see them whinge about NSW or QLD bias.

Paying outside the salary cap helped for a while. Pity they got caught

 

[Forward Press]

Would Collingwood fans prefer this kind of fixture? (hi doppleganger)

10 games at home against WC/Freo/Adelaide/Port/GC/Brisbane/GWS/Sydney at the MCG
2 games at home against Essendon and Carlton at the MCG
10 games away against WC etc at their home grounds

Just curious...

 

[Dark Eagle 9]

So you'd rather take one Premiership instead of 3? Gee mediocrity right there by the sounds of it.

So you say the 2019 Richmond fixture was a rort because Richmond only played the 2018 Premiers (West Coast) once? Ok so going by that narrative, was West Coast's 2018 fixture also a rort because they only played the 2017 Premiers (Richmond) once??...

West Coast didn't dominate all of 2016 & 2017 to should have to play the Tigers twice in 2018. Richmond won in 2017 & finished top in 2018 only to have to play the 2018 Premiers once in 2019.

& in 2019 you got your last 7 games straight at the MCG after winning in 2017 & finishing top in 2018, am unfair bloody rort.

Your dynasty was meh at best.

No matter how ya fluff it 2020 no one gives 2 cents about.

Dusty Martin is of course a legend though.

 

[Drought Break]

Paying outside the salary cap helped for a while. Pity they got caught

true that. The buggers beat my side manly in the 2007 GF right in the middle of their salary cap breaches. we paid them back in 2008 but with a 40 nil win