Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Wosh]

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point.

I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023?

Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective?

Let the games begin…

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[Arr0w]

GF conversion rate in AFL era:

Carlton 33%
Pies 43%

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Don't ya love a name change

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Don't ya love a name change

Not as good as a century change:

Pies 33%
Carlton n/a

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[manicpie]

as much as i agree with this, their second half was atrocious, any top
12 team would’ve beaten them

It's a great comparison considering we beat Carlton

 

[Arr0w]

Not as good as a century change:

Pies 33%
Carlton n/a

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So last century it was 16 - 14?

I mean we've played these games forever

Pretty sure it's a 2024 thread though

 

[Worm4]

Average of a Grand Final appearance every 3 years.

That's a lot if games of football won, and not many spoons and bottom 4 finishes.

Carlton have 'won' more than twice as many spoons since the turn of the century than Collingwood have in their history.

I might look into how many bottom 4 finishes Collingwood have had in their history... than would be an interesting analysis...

Be careful. I'm pretty sure pre 2000, Carlton hadn't finished any lower than 10th in their history. I'm sure you will find that stat amongst your abacus

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So last century it was 16 - 14?

I mean we've played these games forever

Pretty sure it's a 2024 thread though

Yep last century was 16-14 correct

You're the one who brought up GF conversion rates in a standalone comment in a 2024 thread

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[Worm4]

Another Carlton fan talking about last century...rinse and repeat.

Newsflash, we are into our 24th season of the 21st century.

We all know that Carlton are yet to manage a top4 finish in the 21st century, so understand why Baggers continue to look backwards...perhaps start a thread on the Carlton board where crusty Baggers can tell stories about how good Jezza was and what it was like to support a team who wasnt an easy beat most years.

We understand you have a cut off point to suit your findings.

 

[Robertio]

Be careful. I'm pretty sure pre 2000, Carlton hadn't finished any lower than 10th in their history. I'm sure you will find that stat amongst your abacus

I bet you he doesn't.

 

[Worm4]

As soon as the salary cap came in the Blues tried to rort it. And when they got caught they spiralled out of control. Blues bought premierships in the 80s and 90s which is just blatant cheating. They cannot do anything when the playing field was evened. So when Blues supporters go on about last century it seems they just go on about rorting the system.

Thats the thing, it actually wasn't cheating . It was open slather and Collingwood couldn't compete with us . It was like the English premier league is today.
We went and got the best players and it pissed everyone off. Cheating - no. I've never heard anyone say that pre salary cap

 

[HeathySure]

Thats the thing, it actually wasn't cheating . It was open slather and Collingwood couldn't compete with us . It was like the English premier league is today.
We went and got the best players and it pissed everyone off. Cheating - no. I've never heard anyone say that pre salary cap

it was cheating when the salary cap came in. You totally ignored it and then once you got fined you had no idea what to do. Not only on field incompetence, off field as well.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

it was cheating when the salary cap came in. You totally ignored it and then once you got fined you had no idea what to do. Not only on field incompetence, off field as well.

Correct, the Blues heavily resisted the sal cap and draft, signed up a bunch of interstate players minutes before the deadline, cheated the cap and have mostly struggled with a level playing field ever since, a master-class in dinosaur thinking and inept management


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[Arr0w]

Yep last century was 16-14 correct

You're the one who brought up GF conversion rates in a standalone comment in a 2024 thread

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It was in response to others going back to the past, which you already knew

 

[Corn Cobbers]

It was in response to others going back to the past, which you already knew

So you joined in so you could scold anyone who replied to you?

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[Worm4]

it was cheating when the salary cap came in. You totally ignored it and then once you got fined you had no idea what to do. Not only on field incompetence, off field as well.

Ok. Collingwood got fined for the salary cap offences. Move on

 

[Arr0w]

So you joined in so you could scold anyone who replied to you?

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As you did?

So 2024, you should win today, season pretty even, 10-11 in the mix for the 8

 

[Worm4]

Correct, the Blues heavily resisted the sal cap and draft, signed up a bunch of interstate players minutes before the deadline, cheated the cap and have mostly struggled with a level playing field ever since, a master-class in dinosaur thinking and inept management


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And its 2024. Collingwoods management has been inept at times as well in the past. Get over it.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

As you did?

So 2024, you should win today, season pretty even, 10-11 in the mix for the 8

No, I joined in to join in

You joined in to scold

Yeah season's going great, back-to-back for the Pies a huge chance , Blues shaky

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[Arr0w]

Yeah season's going great, back-to-back for the Pies a huge chance , Blues shaky

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Should be a hoot

 

[Carringbush2010]

I dispute that. 1976 - 1982
A golden era for the pies.

16 Flags =

Ahead on any other metric, We're king undisputed. Fact.

Have your little 6 year denial period if it gives you comfort.

 

[Fadge]

16 Flags =

Ahead on any other metric, We're king undisputed. Fact.

Have your little 6 year denial period if it gives you comfort.

Highlighting a 7 season period, where Collingwood played in 4 Grand Finals, as a Gotcha.

Wowee.

 

[doppleganger]

How is the 24th season of this century going so far mate? Looks like Pies sit at 10th on the ladder, only eight teams below you.

Season 2024 tracking along just fine.

Pies will be in the top8 after a slow start and are building into the season nicely whilst also getting games into squad players.

And already had the standard win against Carlton.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Yep. 27 Silver Medals to 13.

And Carlton supporters see that as a positive for them.

Wowee.

No such thing as a silver medal.

What GF strike rate do you think most would pick here? 55% or 36%

 

[doppleganger]

We understand you have a cut off point to suit your findings.

Tis the opposite.

Go in full totality Collingwood are better, flags, wins, finals everything.

Go last year, Collingwood are better.

Go 2024, Collingwood beat Carlton again already.

But yeah, Carlton fans keep posting about a good patch they had 50 years ago...Rinse and repeat.

 

[Fadge]

No such thing as a silver medal.

What GF strike rate do you think most would pick here? 55% or 36%

If both teams are on 16 Premierships, a 36% Grand Final strike rate means a significant amount more games won in the non premiership years.

So any logical person would have Collingwood's performances since the beginning of time, over Carlton's....

Unless you would prefer your team to win a spoon, than lose a Grand Final, for example.

 

[adammania9]

Fly has never been tested this hard with injuries, yet the footy is beautiful and the results keep coming.

The best clubs can execute their winning game plan no matter who is out there, and don’t cry when a handful of depth players miss a couple of games.