Vicky Park
Premium Platinum
- Thread starter
- #376
So, is there agreement that Marley showed better form in this game, some signs of the 2013 Marley? He was unconvincing in the first two NAB games, following his problematic 2014.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
LIVE: Western Bulldogs v Sydney - 7:30PM Thu
Squiggle tips Dogs at 55% chance -- What's your tip? -- Team line-ups »
Weekly Prize - Join Any Time - Tip Round 11
The Golden Ticket - MCG and Marvel Medallion Club tickets and Corporate Box tickets at the Gabba, MCG and Marvel.
Who would you like them to feed it to? Frost? Sinclair? Toovey? Ramsay? They're all horrible outlet options and they are all in the same backline. Terrible recruiting to have so many poorly skilled role players in the same position, and poor coaching to play them all in that role. If Seedsman can't become a mini-Andrew McLeod off half back, we are screwed.
Yawn...
The same issues that we all know the team have were as clear as day tonight.
Speed/Skill are a serious worry.
The forward line is also terribly one dimensional... we still only have one thing in mind when it comes to getting it down there.
So let me see if I have this right:It's why I'll keep saying that Cloke needs to play in the backline, or not at all. He's a liability to the whole side as a forward.
So let me see if I have this right:
The Dogs put 3 players on Cloke because they fully recognise it takes that many to shut him down and your "solution" to the Dogs tactic is to punish Cloke?
So let me see if I have this right:
The Dogs put 3 players on Cloke because they fully recognise it takes that many to shut him down and your "solution" to the Dogs tactic is to punish Cloke?
Correct, meanwhile what are our players doing whilst their opponent is going for the spoil? Star gazing?Any forward that is drawing 3 defenders is already doing an important job. Obviously, don't kick to him, kick it to one of the other 2 forwards that doesn't have a defender.
Not seeing a hell of a lot of match analysis here, so i'm going to try and change that.
-The bloke behind me yelling 'CANT BELIEVE WE CHOSE SCHARENBERG OVER BONTEMPELLI! SACK BUCKS!' every time Bonts touched the ball, poor poor form, wanted to correct him but like some on this board, there are just some people in this world that are uncorrectable.
Dawes took more marks and kicked more goals than White and was able to take the pressure off Cloke.
Great post!
I love the Bont talk! Classic ignorance and you see it on here at times also. He was pick 4, we had pick 6! Hello!
We aren't going there again.....surely
Madness. Cloke is one of the best key forwards in the comp. Period.Jesus man you don't have to be so literal. I've posted this before. When Cloke is down there, they double and triple team him because all teams know that when Cloke is there we only kick it to him. It's something they can't seem to train out of the players so why waste more time trying? Just take him out of the forward line and give them no choice.
Let's be honest, Cloke hasn't been great the last couple of years even when he's NOT being double or triple teamed. He doesn't seem to be able to get the separation on his man other forwards do. Make him a centre half back where we don't need to rely on his bad kicking for goal and his strength can be used to STOP opponents as opposed to always trying to take the harder contested mark.
He has all the attributes to make a fantastic centre half back. I"m sure you would have had this same attitude had I suggested in 2006 that Chris Tarrant become a backman too right?
Madness. Cloke is one of the best key forwards in the comp. Period.
Perhaps the silliest thing you said was Cloke hasnt been that great the last couple of years. Remember a couple of years ago in 2013 when Cloke had arguably his best season, AA, just missed the Coleman, was a contested marking behemoth. Yes he carried injuries in 2014 and was down but expect him to be better this year. Fortunately our MC wont have such a knee jerk response
On players, Grundy looks to me like a trireme floating around the ground and blown off course. He puffs around the ground and is simply not fit enough to stay in the contest around the ground. What he provides at the centre bounce is not enough. I'd prefer to see Witts as the solo ruck with White and Gault rucking and presenting up forward. White is much more competitive in the middle than Grundy and won't allow the opposition easy extraction. I still think our mid set-up is damaged by this scenario and creates enormous knock on effects.
Dave, Travis has enough credits in the bank for playing in teams where we didnt look like s**t as you put it. It's kneejerk to repond so ssavagely to a bad NAB cup loss. Have faith in Cloke.Then why does our Forward Line look like s**t when is in the Forward Line?
Then why does our Forward Line look like s**t when is in the Forward Line?
Just on Grundy, he doesn't seem as good in the ruck as he was in his first year. I did not see our last game, but last year he was not timing his jumps to achieve maximum height as he did earlier in his career. Now the accusation is being made against him that he lacks body strength to compete with big boys like Minson. As Dave might say, have we drafted a dud? Or is he going to recapture the spring and timing he initially showed in ruck battles? He is certainly yet to give any indication that he is going to dominate in the air as top ruckmen are expected to do. Given Kennedy's obvious lack of size and Broomheads' disappointing performances so far this year (and last year), picks 18, 19 and 20 aren't looking as rosy as they appeared at the time.
Dave, Travis has enough credits in the bank for playing in teams where we didnt look like s**t as you put it. It's kneejerk to repond so ssavagely to a bad NAB cup loss. Have faith in Cloke.
He did look very good against the Blues before getting injured. He was up against a very good senior ruckman ans is still developing. Give him time. As to picks 18, 19 and 20 they still look good. Grundy has plenty of potential and the other 2 look capable of being AFL standard at least with time. I favour Kennedy as the better of the 2.Just on Grundy, he doesn't seem as good in the ruck as he was in his first year. I did not see our last game, but last year he was not timing his jumps to achieve maximum height as he did earlier in his career. Now the accusation is being made against him that he lacks body strength to compete with big boys like Minson. As Dave might say, have we drafted a dud? Or is he going to recapture the spring and timing he initially showed in ruck battles? He is certainly yet to give any indication that he is going to dominate in the air as top ruckmen are expected to do. Given Kennedy's obvious lack of size and Broomheads' disappointing performances so far this year (and last year), picks 18, 19 and 20 aren't looking as rosy as they appeared at the time.