List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals
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Depending on how well King develops/tracks we might only get him in the 1st round next year. Assuming we and Melbourne are thereabouts for finals/top 4. The club will see a potential top 10-15 bid a mile off (we generally do the academy posturing very well) and make sure we have draft value beyond that, or trade up, but I don't know if we'll get essentially 3 1st rounders. We'd have to get the exact right combination of King doing well, but not that well, and ladder finishes for that.
Certainly a longer term view is helpful though.
Can we use 31 and 39 to move up with someone wanting points? Do we want to?
Would it get us 23 from the Dogs?
We could then have 16, 23 and a late pick, currently at 70 but would go up with non-selections. We seem to uncover a fair amount of gold with late picks so...
Would it get us 23 from the Dogs?
We could then have 16, 23 and a late pick, currently at 70 but would go up with non-selections. We seem to uncover a fair amount of gold with late picks so...
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I agree. Certainly we will have 5 1st rounders in 3 years. But that is contingent on us taking a long term view and drafting/trading as such.
I like the fact that we draft and trade sustainably. You watch the kids grow and trade just to plug holes. keep feeding them in the bottom and they largely are developed in a great environment where they can thrive.
The fact that Longmire and all the big heads at the club don't need tp prove short term goals, because they already have credibility, takes a lot of stress away from "being seen to be successful" in your fans eyes or trying to prove you have won a trade period. As Swans supporters we don't have that stress or expectation to want to prove we will be more successful next year. As supporters we trust the recruiters and management and we sleep nights knowing the club is in good hands and next year will be better even before we hit draft night.
I know I do.
Clubs like Carlton/Saints and lots of others have new coaches/new CEOs etc etc need short term wins for the morale of the club.
I'm very glad our club is focused on the long term. We play the long game.
We can be successful for longer that way.
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Sure - don't hugely disagree with your position. Largely the impact of losing Hewitt will define whether the period was neutral or net-positive.
If I have been paying enough attention the loss of Hewett was to enable keeping both Parker and Dawson plus paying the youngsters enough. It had been on the cards for over a year.
Had we known earlier about Dawson we might have kept Hewett or not.
We stuck to our commitment with Hewett and I for one am happy with that.
It is also possible that those changes gave us enough in the kitty for Ladhams without breaking the bank.
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Yeah, it drove me mad. Between watching us give it off to Dawson 50+ out seemingly once a week, and Brisbane doing the same with Rich, and having both come off maybe 1 in 10 times, when there was spot-up options inside 50, I was getting ropeable lol.
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Lonie delisted
reckon dons might grab him
reckon dons might grab him
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has dawson re-signed yet
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I actually think most posters have been generally supportive of our decisions in the trade period.
Normally at this point in time the board goes into meltdown and the phrase 'rolled over' takes centre stage.
It seems the main bone of contention is George Hewett, but even then I think the majority, whilst wishing George well, understand the club's thinking.
PS Fully agree with your assessment of the trades.
I think even with the Hewett situation, they are going to be banking on the youngsters to develop even more. If the young midfield group aren't eventually better than Hewett this past year, then we ain't going to win the whole thing anyway. Thus its understandable that they want to see what Rowbum, Warner and Stephens can bring in the next 2-3 years, slowly increase their TOG% and then decide where to go from there in terms of the midfield.
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Yeah, 4 years at $650k
Don't blame the club.
We've handed Adelaide a player we developed in our system. It's offensive when opposition supporters & media criticise us for all things Dawson because they don't research what we've gone through with him but when our own supporters do, it's sickening actually because we should know the history.
If you come back "a bit behind the pack & had to catch up" then it's not the club's fault " he dominated NEAFL and was ignored".
It took Jordan 2 years to get " the wake up call"!
This from the man himself.
No longer all at sea, Dawson is finding his feet as a Swan
Jordan Dawson is part of a new breed of Swans upon whose shoulders the club's future rests.www.theage.com.au
"Dawson has weapons. He is a raking left-foot kick. Not many players at 192cm can cover the ground as well as he can, while those with his endurance generally do not have his size. But talent is one thing, application another. This was a lesson Dawson learned at the end of 2017 when he reported back for preseason "a bit unfit". "My skinnies [skinfolds] were a bit higher than they should have been," Dawson admits.
Players are given programs during their break to ensure they come back ready for the summer slog. Dawson, however, thought he would be "able to rock up and it will happen". "I didn't follow it to the level it should have been done," he says.
Being 1.5kg overweight is no big deal for most of us, but the margins are fine in the AFL.
The coaches were not happy and let him know about it. They did not give him a blast, which in some ways made Dawson feel worse.
"It wasn't a spray, more a heart to heart," Dawson says. "They said I was a bit behind the pack and I had to catch up."
It cost him.
"I got injured a few weeks in," Dawson says. "That proved if you're not going to do the work you'll get caught out. That was a wake-up call."
Another injury early in the season wiped out the first half of 2018, but he was able to break into the side in round 19 only to be dropped for the finals despite some handy games.
"On reflection, it wasn't a good look from my perspective, rocking up overweight with the skinnies high – it shows you don't care to the coaches," Dawson says. "They were pretty flat with me. I wanted to make sure I came back in good nick and show the coaches that I really want this and am working hard for it.
And there in lies why some clubs are better than others when developing talent and why supporters have NFI when mindlessly sprouting crap about how a players was left to rot in the seconds.
You do the work, you perform, you get selected.
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Nah. He's not cut out for the AFL
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List clogger IMO. I would rather Clarke....
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I think he's cut out for AFL, but only if you need a contested beast. Completely opposite the midfield we're creating.
Our first pick will still be in the first round no matter what number it is.
How many of your 4 disciplines did Dawson show before this year?
But his passion is totally negative. I've now put him in ignore and have been very happy with that decision.
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Carlton list manager talks a bit about this coming draft. Our midfield can use some depth
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Dud. Won’t be picked up.
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