List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread - Part II

[RobbieK]

That's your opinion. I have seen power rankings that have him outside the top 3. Personally, I wouldn't have such a one dimensional player in the top 3.

In his game for the Allies against Vic Metro, to pick one that particularly highlighted his capabilities, he had 33 disposals, 17 of them contested, 9 clearances. When that is your one dimension, its a pretty good one.

 

[6yearsold]

In his game for the Allies against Vic Metro, to pick one that particularly highlighted his capabilities, he had 33 disposals, 17 of them contested, 9 clearances. When that is your one dimension, its a pretty good one.

Agreed, he's good at winning contested ball.

 

[mikey_san]

For next year's draft. I believe this is the game Gulden won BoG.

 

[RUNVS]

For next year's draft. I believe this is the game Gulden won BoG.

Campbell did, Gulden was rated the second best of the game.

 

[mikey_san]

Campbell did, Gulden was rated the second best of the game.

Commentator said last year's BoG was Rowell.

 

[6yearsold]

Some commentators I recall reading did not even have campbell or gulden in their bests list at all.

I didn't think anyone really played consistently well in that match.

 

[Bandicoot]

They moved up in the draft order that’s a good thing isn’t it? Swapping picks 12 and 18 for 6 is a win. Pick 6 is more likely to be a star than 12 or 18.
Points are the only way the AFL can scale the draft and is meaningless other to place a notional value.

Not in this case. There was always going to be an early bid on their academy player, Green. Anywhere from 3-5 to which GWS would match. They would then need to find enough points to match that bid. Picks 12 & 18 represented more points than what pick 6 does.
In this scenario, it's all about points value, not the actual pick itself.

 

[mikey_san]

Some commentators I recall reading did not even have campbell or gulden in their bests list at all.

I didn't think anyone really played consistently well in that match.

Campbell does really well the opening 2 minutes.

 

[Bandicoot]

Of all clubs, Melbourne are the last to need yet another inside midfielder.

True, but they know that GWS will match it anyway. Therefore GWS are paying more for him.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

True, but they know that GWS will match it anyway. Therefore GWS are paying more for him.

And what happens if they don’t...stuck
With another inside mid

 

[Bandicoot]

Why not?
I would assume if both clubs agree, and theres no draft tampering involved, then there is no problem.
Do you know of any examples of pick swaps that the AFL integrity unit have denied?

The AFL have made it clear that if they believe if their is collusion going on between clubs which is detrimental to the integrity of the draft that they will block such moves.

 

[Bandicoot]

The Dees very likely to bid on Green to improve their second pick by forcing GWS to take Green at 3 (allowing GWS only Green instead of Green + Jackson). Any possible deal for a pick swap would have to be very favourable for the Dees for them not to do that and miss out on Young. Even 6 + future first for 3 isn't that great given GWS pick will be at 18 next year.

Can GWS trade picks after they have been made? That would open up a whole lot of scenarios.
GWS/MEL swap 6 -3
GWS select Young at 3
Swans bid on Green at 5 - matched by GWS pick with 40 and deficit etc
GWS trade selection 3 (ie Young) and a future first for pick 6

Dees get Young + future first
GWS get Green at 5 and someone else at 6, probably Jackson

Clubs can't swap players once they have been selected. In your scenario if GWS select Young at 3, they are stuck with him.

 

[Bandicoot]

That's your opinion. I have seen power rankings that have him outside the top 3. Personally, I wouldn't have such a one dimensional player in the top 3.

I agree with #RobbieK. I would not be surprised at all if Melbourne make a bid on Green.
Conversely, if GWS are planning on improving on their pick 6 selection, Melbourne is the only team that they can deal with. No good doing a deal with Adelaide and moving up to pick 4 if Melbourne place the bid at 3.

 

[Keyter]

And what happens if they don’t...stuck
With another inside mid

Academy & Canberra kid - GWS won’t let him slip.

 

[Bandicoot]

Hypothetical speaking you don’t know if Green will be bid on or that the Giants will match the bid so there the points that matter in the situation.

You obviously don't know much about Green.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Academy & Canberra kid - GWS won’t let him slip.

If it is pick 3 they might

 

[Bandicoot]

And what happens if they don’t...stuck
With another inside mid

That's like us not matching a bid on Heeney, Mills or Blakey.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That's like us not matching a bid on Heeney, Mills or Blakey.

Not really- unlike us they have a million midfielders. It has to be the right price

 

[Keyter]

If it is pick 3 they might

No they won’t. It just means another one of their other young midfielders will be traded out at the end of the year. It’s their business model...they want a 2nd top 10 pick and specifically Jackson....how they do it, I’m not sure, but they will give it their best shot.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Not really- unlike us they have a million midfielders. It has to be the right price

It’s exactly like what Bandicoot said

 

[Olian]

You obviously don't know much about Green.

Hypothetically speaking you apparently do.

 

[Keyter]

One of GWS benchmarks would be to keep their List in front of the swans, given they were gifted so many free shots. This year is the 1st time ever the swans have a better hand than them (before live trading) GWS will be driven to at least match the swans if not better. (And yes no drafts value can be really measured until years later, but perception at the time is still very important. This is a Super critical draft for thE Swans. last two drafts Syd v GWS....

2017


2018

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No they won’t. It just means another one of their other young midfielders will be traded out at the end of the year. It’s their business model...they want a 2nd top 10 pick and specifically Jackson....how they do it, I’m not sure, but they will give it their best shot.

Or they might just take Jackson- you aren’t obligated to take your Academy kid

 

[DavyRed]

Some commentators I recall reading did not even have campbell or gulden in their bests list at all.

I didn't think anyone really played consistently well in that match.

Rest assured that by this time next year the Vic media would have built Campbell and Gulden up as the best two draft prospects to come up in the last decade. The likes of Fat Eddie and the morons on the BF Main Board will then once again weep about the screaming injustice of our Academy.

 

[Keyter]

Green is in the top 3. He’s a Canberra lad or regarded as one. GWS want to increase their exposure/emotional link to Canberra. He’s their best academy product, ever. They will take him, it’s just can they get another top 10 pick or thereabouts.