Traded Brad Hill [traded with future 3rd to St Kilda for Acres, #10, #58, future 2nd and 4th]

[maanco]

Saints are offering a deal that puts Brad Hill in the top 2.3% of all players, not enough to field 18 players in the number at that level.

Plus he has two years to go. That's the value they've put on him. That is two top ten picks.

You wouldn't shake loose the likes of Franklin, Martin, Fyfe etc from their clubs without a sizable offer, St Kilda have valued him in that area.

Martin and Fyfe are worth 1.5+ million a season range. Hill is in a different market to those players all together.

Keep in Mind St Kilda has plenty of cap space hence can over pay Hill, to entice him to join the club.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Pick 6 alone will get it done. You watch.

Freo should (and will) hold out for more, especially as he is still contracted.

 

[Taylor]

Martin and Fyfe are worth 1.5+ million a season range. Hill is in a different market to those players all together.

Keep in Mind St Kilda has plenty of cap space hence can over pay Hill, to entice him to join the club.

Top 2.3% of players in the entire league money.

Martin and Fyfe make a touch over $1.2 a year.

 

[maanco]

Top 2.3% of players in the entire league money.

Martin and Fyfe make a touch over $1.2 a year.

Even if thats true thats still 33% more than Hill

 

[lewdogs]

Freo should (and will) hold out for more, especially as he is still contracted.

Are you serious? I'd expect we'd be trying to get something back, a third or fourth rounder most likely.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

That's just spin. Saints are the road block who yet again can't get a deal done. But he doesn't especially want to play for you, he just wants the dollars you are putting up. Plenty of other options for him to find his way to Melbourne if the Saints don't value him.

Pretty sure the roadblock is that trade period hasn't actually started

 

[Peel67skin]

Fremantle ask for more and St kilda want to give less. Middle ground pick 6.

 

[eastfreo75]

Fremantle ask for more and St kilda want to give less. Middle ground pick 6.

The issue is Hills 4 years front loaded contract that has 2 years left.

Dockers are losing cap space and Hill.

Sorry but the Saints need to pay overs.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Yes, you are right they won’t be happy.

That doesn’t decease the hand Freo has but more likely increase it.

Fremantle holds the cards and St Kilda need to pay overs or will tell Hill and Young we can trade him to another Melbourne club.

Saints need outside run and will be wanting to make finals next year.

Not great look for ST Kilda is the deal falls through.

The pressure in Hill and Saints to get a deal done not the Dockers.

what other melbourne club do you think is offering a better offer for hill ? if no club is willing to pay the salary st Kilda are then what world do you think anyother club is willing to give you more in the trade for him ... come on be realistic

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Brad Hill really isn’t as hard done by as you’re making out. He’s happily taken Freos front loaded cash.

where did i say he was being hard done by ? Freo have every right to be pi55ed off at him after front loading his contract but he has made the choice last year he wanted out , it didnt happen so he did the right thing and played a hell of a season for you , he has requested a trade again this year and this year he has a very very nice contract in front of him so if you deny him again he is bound to be annoyed at Freo costing hhim that tasty contract ... so the situation would be Freo pi55ed that he wants out and Hill pi55ed at Freo for not letting him go ... i dunno bout you but to me that doesnt sound like a healthy happy environment for either party ...

but in the end it doesnt matter im reckoning that both clubs have come pretty close to a fair and reasonable deal already for the exchange

 

[Yeti]

where did i say he was being hard done by ? Freo have every right to be pi55ed off at him after front loading his contract but he has made the choice last year he wanted out , it didnt happen so he did the right thing and played a hell of a season for you , he has requested a trade again this year and this year he has a very very nice contract in front of him so if you deny him again he is bound to be annoyed at Freo costing hhim that tasty contract ... so the situation would be Freo pi55ed that he wants out and Hill pi55ed at Freo for not letting him go ... i dunno bout you but to me that doesnt sound like a healthy happy environment for either party ...

but in the end it doesnt matter im reckoning that both clubs have come pretty close to a fair and reasonable deal already for the exchange

Why should Fremantle care if he is pissed off at being held to the contract that he signed due to not being compensated with the trade capital that warrants the Fremantle Football Club from releasing him from that contract?

If anything he will be pissed off at the club who dangled a massive contract (that as you say, no other club would offer) and then can't get the trade done.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

That's just spin. Saints are the road block who yet again can't get a deal done. But he doesn't especially want to play for you, he just wants the dollars you are putting up. Plenty of other options for him to find his way to Melbourne if the Saints don't value him.

you are prob right its just the money making him want to come to the saints but again what other Melb club is bettering St Kilda in a trade for hill ? if the trade is St Kilda pick 5 with a thrid round coming back with Hill , what team is offering more than that for Brad Hill ...

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

B Hill chose the saints because of money and St Kilda being in the South East.

Now, Fremantle is saying Hill has another two years on low money and the other years were front loaded.

If you want Hill, you need pay for the front loaded contract.

Pick 5 and cap space or pick 5 plus extra picks and players.

Fremantle will be losing cap space and Hill.

It must be overs for Hill.

you are not getting extra picks and players but covering Cap space is prob something that gets discussed ..

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Saints are offering a deal that puts Brad Hill in the top 2.3% of all players, not enough to field 18 players in the number at that level.

Plus he has two years to go. That's the value they've put on him. That is two top ten picks.

You wouldn't shake loose the likes of Franklin, Martin, Fyfe etc from their clubs without a sizable offer, St Kilda have valued him in that area.

come on that is dillusional two top ten picks .... no point discussing this if you are not going to be realistic

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

... do not equal punctuation.



This is funny.
Acres for nothing is only true if you think Hill is worth pick 5 and no more.
Fremantle have made it clear through Twomey that any deal must include pick 5. So it is pick 5 and something else.

We could get pick 5 and a future second, pick 5 and a future third, or pick 5 and Acres, who (I’m told by a family friend) wants to come home someday.

Hill alone on talent isnt worth pick 5 he would be a pick 10 at best .. he is contracted and its a weaker draft so we go pick 5 ...
peception is a funny thing .. the report says pick 5 will be included so pick 5 for hill and Freos 2020 third round sound about right ..
if it was pick 5 and something else from St Kilda it wouldnt be reported that pick 5 needs to be included , it would be reported that pick 5 alone isnt enough ... that wasnt said so to me that reads that pick 5 alone gets it done

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

... do not equal punctuation.



This is funny.
Acres for nothing is only true if you think Hill is worth pick 5 and no more.
Fremantle have made it clear through Twomey that any deal must include pick 5. So it is pick 5 and something else.

We could get pick 5 and a future second, pick 5 and a future third, or pick 5 and Acres, who (I’m told by a family friend) wants to come home someday.

also love the good old faithful "im told by a family friend" line ... pretty sure its been said from Blakes own mouth that his mum prob wants him home but he is loving life in Victoria ...

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Why should Fremantle care if he is pi**ed off at being held to the contract that he signed due to not being compensated with the trade capital that warrants the Fremantle Football Club from releasing him from that contract?

If anything he will be pi**ed off at the club who dangled a massive contract (that as you say, no other club would offer) and then can't get the trade done.

only a freo person would think a player twice requesting trade but being held back to their contract would be pi55ed at the club chasing them not the club holding them to their contract ... nice little fantasy world you got there...
also a disgruntled player may be common place out in Cockburn but pretty much every other club in the comp want happy players that want to play for them around thier club ..

 

[Taylor]

come on that is dillusional two top ten picks .... no point discussing this if you are not going to be realistic

St Kilda are valuing him in the top 2.3% of players league wide and he has two years on his contract.

But I'm the one being unreasonable?

 

[compact72]

Rumour on Saints board that Hill has requested a trade to St Kilda?

Haven't seen any news yet

 

[Yeti]

only a freo person would think a player twice requesting trade but being held back to their contract would be pi55ed at the club chasing them not the club holding them to their contract ... nice little fantasy world you got there...
also a disgruntled player may be common place out in Cockburn but pretty much every other club in the comp want happy players that want to play for them around thier club ..

Again, why should the club care? He signed his contract if a club isn't prepared to stump up the draft capital to release him from the final 2 years it's on that club, not FFC. You still haven't given a compelling reason for Fremantle to release him for just pick 5 other than "he will be unhappy". As he has shown this year he will likely be in our top 3 players next year. Why should FFC give him up for pick 5 that could be a great player (De Goey) an inury ridled "could have been" (Morabito) or a spud (Mitch Thorpe).

Melbourne asked a price last trade period, Freo baulked and then both parties settled. May happen this year for St Kilda, I don't think with B.Hill's history FFC will just happily accept any old compensation. With Hogan's mental health issues and MFC wanting to bring in Steven May it made sense for them to settle. Tim Kelly isn't coming to Freo, we don't NEED to move on B.Hill when he is in our top 3 players and under contract for 2 more years.

If you think all 40 players on any list are happy you are mistaken, especially in this move towards NBA style player empowerment we are going to see players being unhappy all the time.

 

[BrutThough]

Rumour on Saints board that Hill has requested a trade to St Kilda?

Haven't seen any news yet

Tom Browne is running with it on twitter.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

St Kilda are valuing him in the top 2.3% of players league wide and he has two years on his contract.

But I'm the one being unreasonable?

two top ten picks for a guy who had his bes season to date but still didnt get into the AA squad ... yes you are being unreasonable .. what St Kilda pay for him is not relevant , the contract size is purely due to the fact St Kilda have the cap space they have to use and by putting that price on his head knocks out the competition chasing him .. he is contracted yes but the game today means contracts dont mean much at all if you seriously think he is worth 2 top 10 picks then he stays at freo and stews over the second request to be traded being knocked back ... then come contract end he will just walk to whoever most likely by that stage to a team compeating for a flag who will get him cheap..

 

[compact72]

 

[Yeti]

two top ten picks for a guy who had his bes season to date but still didnt get into the AA squad ... yes you are being unreasonable .. what St Kilda pay for him is not relevant , the contract size is purely due to the fact St Kilda have the cap space they have to use and by putting that price on his head knocks out the competition chasing him .. he is contracted yes but the game today means contracts dont mean much at all if you seriously think he is worth 2 top 10 picks then he stays at freo and stews over the second request to be traded being knocked back ... then come contract end he will just walk to whoever most likely by that stage to a team compeating for a flag who will get him cheap..

So we get 2 more years of B.Hill in his prime?

Great result for FFC, better than pick 5.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Again, why should the club care? He signed his contract if a club isn't prepared to stump up the draft capital to release him from the final 2 years it's on that club, not FFC. You still haven't given a compelling reason for Fremantle to release him for just pick 5 other than "he will be unhappy". As he has shown this year he will likely be in our top 3 players next year. Why should FFC give him up for pick 5 that could be a great player (De Goey) an inury ridled "could have been" (Morabito) or a spud (Mitch Thorpe).

Melbourne asked a price last trade period, Freo baulked and then both parties settled. May happen this year for St Kilda, I don't think with B.Hill's history FFC will just happily accept any old compensation. With Hogan's mental health issues and MFC wanting to bring in Steven May it made sense for them to settle. Tim Kelly isn't coming to Freo, we don't NEED to move on B.Hill when he is in our top 3 players and under contract for 2 more years.

If you think all 40 players on any list are happy you are mistaken, especially in this move towards NBA style player empowerment we are going to see players being unhappy all the time.

what deal your club signed him to is irrelevant .. he was obviosly happy to sign that deal and for Freo's SC managment it was front loaded , the think is for two consecutive years Brad has requested he wants out so he has obviosly got issues that have him not wanting to be with Fremantle .. yes its a dirty act to turn your back on a contract but on the flip side Freo are not above turning their back on a contract when it suits them (see Lyon, see Bennel, see Harvey....) so you cant hold a high moral ground on that ... fact is an AFL player has a short window to make as much as they can while they have value as a player St Kilda are offering Hill a great contract to help set him and his family up for life.. if the deal falls over because there isnt a middle ground on a fiar trade for him then this is taking money out of Hills back pocket ...
it sucks cause you front loaded his contract but that was Freo's choice to do that, not Hills not St Kilda's so because you took a gamble on that and now the player wants out sorry Freo thats life ... you will get a fair deal but no one in the industry is going to see you as the poor victim that rightfully deserves an extra leg up cause your gamble didnt work