Changes Vs Port Adelaide

[Slippery Pete]

Just out of interest, I went back and had a look at Ian Callinan games against top 8 sides from 2012 and 2011 (last night wasn't included as Brisbane are not a top 8 side) and found this...

From the 15 games he has played against top 8 sides and dating back to round 14 2011 (26th of June) vs Geelong, he has averaged 13.8 possessions a game and 1.06 goals a game.


If you wish to wheel out that Form is temporary and class is permanent garbage. Please at least align it to a player worthy of that cliche. Like Scott Thompson, Darren Jarman or Andrew McLeod but Ian Callinan in the AFL is nothing but a plodder who is hanging onto his AFL career by a thread.
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Out of interest, how many of our 17 wins last year came against "top 8" sides?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Edit double post

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Out of interest, how many of our 17 wins last year came against "top 8" sides?

7 but not sure how that is even relevant.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I think Hendo is safe, he showed good team leadership by demonstrating what the word tackle means.

I reckon he'll be laying a lot more in the future given that effort.

 

[Glenno23]

At what stage? I can not remember seeing anything of the sort. Not disputing it but don't remember.

Maybe, but unless if was after the sub - why didn't they activate the sub straight away.

Maybe the injury wasn't so bad that he couldn't continue, and amazingly, MJ was offering more than Callinan?

Or the plan all long was for Callinan to play 2.5 qtrs then bring the Porpoise on with his clean skills. They looked at the knee and said he'd be right to with some painkillers. It may have just been a knock

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Maybe the injury wasn't so bad that he couldn't continue, and amazingly, MJ was offering more than Callinan?

Or the plan all long was for Callinan to play 2.5 qtrs then bring the Porpoise on with his clean skills. They looked at the knee and said he'd be right to with some painkillers. It may have just been a knock

Over the journey, how many games have we lost when we have played an injured player, or taken injured players or under done players into the game and lost. As a club, we do it far to often.

Premierships are won by squads of players, not the best 22 players you have on your list.

 

[Slippery Pete]

7 but not sure how that is even relevant.

The stat is highly mischievous. His stats dipped in games where the team's performance dipped as a whole. How did the rest of the side go against top 4 sides last year? Not that good.

He was one of the reasons we were in the finals to begin with. We won 17 games last year he was exceptional in a good number of them. If you're discounting the fact he performed against bottom eight sides, you're discounting the fact that's largely how we finished second.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

At what stage? I can not remember seeing anything of the sort. Not disputing it but don't remember.

Maybe, but unless if was after the sub - why didn't they activate the sub straight away.

It was early. He was on and off the ground a couple of times.

They didn't activate the sub because after some pain killing injections he could play.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Most of the time when a genuine small forward doesn't get near it it's because the opportunities haven't been there. We saw that a few times with him last year. He's in the side for those rare half chances that other players can't nail - and when he DOES get them the pressure is really on him and to his credit he rarely messes them up. Unlike
Johncock he's not in the side to get 25 disposals. That's not his job.

I'm all for bringing Johncock back by the way. But the club thinks he's competing with Callinan and that's where the issue is.

Agree with this. Callinan's job is to get 10 touches. Have 3-4 shots at goal within those (hopefully for 2-3 goals, then put the other 6-7 touches on the chest of tex/Jenkins.

Yes, he had a bad game, but he does kick goals, and he does goal assist. Consistently.

 

[robboaustralia]

Most of the time when a genuine small forward doesn't get near it it's because the opportunities haven't been there. We saw that a few times with him last year. He's in the side for those rare half chances that other players can't nail - and when he DOES get them the pressure is really on him and to his credit he rarely messes them up. Unlike
Johncock he's not in the side to get 25 disposals. That's not his job.

I'm all for bringing Johncock back by the way. But the club thinks he's competing with Callinan and that's where the issue is.

Johncock is a perfect sub especially at this stage of his career.

 

[Vader]

Jacobs? Really?

Struggling for form IMO.

Yeah.. maybe he doesn't quite belong on that list.

 

[Vader]

I don`t disagree with that. I don`t have them that far apart, I just thought it was more or less Smiths role Brown was playing.

Brown has replaced Doughty. Jaensch is nothing but a bench warmer, holding Smith's position for him while Smith is MIA due to injury.

Remember what they say about TV presenters going on holiday? "Don't let anyone fill in for you if they're even the remotest possibility of taking over permanently". Jaensch is that "not even a remote possibility of becoming permanent" player.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

The stat is highly mischievous. His stats dipped in games where the team's performance dipped as a whole. How did the rest of the side go against top 4 sides last year? Not that good.

And so is throwing in the fact he kicked 39 goals with 26 of those being against bottom sides. That is also being mischievous. That fact is, his performances against the better sides have not been up to par to be in serious consideration for a premiership side.

That's why using the form is temporary and class is permanent is a furfie.

He was one of the reasons we were in the finals to begin with. We won 17 games last year he was exceptional in a good number of them. If you're discounting the fact he performed against bottom eight sides, you're discounting the fact that's largely how we finished second.

But any number of players who missed out on selection could have done the same thing. That's the point your deliberately missing. Yes he performed well against lower side and yes this helped us win games and yes it helped us finish in the top 4 but a number of other players could have done the same thing.

 

[Vader]

Unfortunately I don't think we will, whether it's pride or what we'll point to Petrenko as an example and say "he'll be better for the run, no point dropping him now..."

I think it's quite poor that we've spent all summer trumpeting our depth through the midfield etc, but when push came to shove, despite the fact we had plenty of guys who'd performed well over preseason and were performing well at SANFL, we rushed the same old favourites back into the side (favourites who let us down badly during finals). A strong side would force a guy like Callinan to force his way back into the side, Hodge and Thomas were forced to do so, similar with Leuenberger, he then played a blinder first game back, why did we think guys like Callinan and Petrenko were above this?

With close to a full list to choose from and guys performing at SANFL level, there should be no need to rush blokes back, especially in round 2!

I see things differently. The fact that we have depth is great - it means that we have players who are capable of coming in and performing straight away, in the event that one of our best 22 players is unavailable. However, our best 22 are our best 22. If they're available, then they play every single time unless there are strategic reasons for resting them. Depth players simply shouldn't and don't get selected if the best 22 players are all available.

Should Callinan have played in the SANFL to ensure his fitness was up to scratch? Maybe. I think they'd have a fairly good idea of his fitness levels from watching him on the training track. Either way, I think he'll be better for the run this week and is unlikely to be omitted next week as a result. Now, if he puts in another shocker next week, he may well be on the chopping block.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I see things differently. The fact that we have depth is great - it means that we have players who are capable of coming in and performing straight away, in the event that one of our best 22 players is unavailable. However, our best 22 are our best 22. If they're available, then they play every single time unless there are strategic reasons for resting them. Depth players simply shouldn't and don't get selected if the best 22 players are all available.

Without accepting your assertion regarding best selection policy, I think the argument is whether the 'best 22' is chosen appropriately.

 

[Vader]

See, this annoys me.

Is our depth that poor that we have to play borderline best 22 players or have the coaches lost faith in everyone ese who can play half back flank?

If his knee requires pain killers, rest him and play someone who is 100% healthy and fit. It's only round 2 FFS and its nit like h us a super star who is irreplaceable.

mJ out injured >>>> van Berlo to the half back flank >>> Lyons, lynch or Kerridge to the midfield.

Stop playing injured players.

Our options for playing that small defender role aren't all that great. As I see it, the rankings (with 2 positions available) are:
1. Smith
2. Brown
..<daylight>..
3. Jaensch
..<daylight>..
4. Tambling
..<daylight>..
5. CEY

If Jaensch with pain killers is seen as a better option than Tambling, then I have no problems with Jaensch being selected. Given that I have no time at all for Tambling...

 

[Elder van Berlo]

I think Hendo is safe, he showed good team leadership by demonstrating what the word tackle means.

I reckon he'll be laying a lot more in the future given that effort.

Have heard a few people alluding to this - what actually happened? I missed it.

 

[Vader]

Without accepting your assertion regarding best selection policy, I think the argument is whether the 'best 22' is chosen appropriately.

That's a reasonable point of debate.

 

[JP Sauce]

I don't get this board sometimes.

We continuously clamour for under performing 'senior' players to be moved aside. We move one who hasnt performed in over a year out of the team, and the overwhelming support is for him to be reinstated?

If we're going to replace Callinan, I'd much prefer that spot to be used to invest game time into Lyons, or McIntyre or someone of the ilk. Johncock at this stage is not an A Grade player. I'm not even sure if he's a B Grade player. Needs more than one good performance in the SANFL to push for selection.

Absolutely this! Can't believe the majority of people want to put Stiffy straight back in (haaaaa).

I'd take Lyons over him in a heartbeat at this stage.

 

[Elite Crow]

Have heard a few people alluding to this - what actually happened? I missed it.

Was caught exposed in the change rooms at half time on Fox. The club are spewing about it, imagine a netballers **** or the map being shown?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Our options for playing that small defender role aren't all that great. As I see it, the rankings (with 2 positions available) are:
1. Smith
2. Brown
..<daylight>..
3. Jaensch
..<daylight>..
4. Tambling
..<daylight>..
5. CEY

If Jaensch with pain killers is seen as a better option than Tambling, then I have no problems with Jaensch being selected. Given that I have no time at all for Tambling...

No need to be completely obtuse and ignore any other option Vader.

A premiership squad is flexible, diverse in it's make up and interchangeable but you go ahead and ignore any other possibilities.

Isn't the object, put your best team on the park. Not be a stubborn nutter and player injured players because your not willing to move someone.

VB top a half back flank opens up a plethora of options.

 

[maxlilly]

Port looked almost unrecognisable last night compared to previous seasons.
Lots of new names, new gameplan, playing with purpose.
Hinkley has done a good job so far, hope they can keep it going.
Should be a good game next week with high expectations for both teams.
Hopefully our experience gets us over the line.
No changes unless VB gets ruled out and if so, it will be interesting to see who comes in, especially if Smith isn't ready to go.

 

[Crow-eater]

Was caught exposed in the change rooms at half time on Fox. The club are spewing about it, imagine a netballers **** or the map being shown?

Feel so sorry for him. And you're right, if that happened to a female, the outrage would be massive (and rightly so) but Hendo gets mocked? Also it was not only aired live, but later replayed so Basil ****ing Zeimplas can crack some **** jokes. I mean, really?

Here's a tweet from the AFLPA GM

Ian Prendergast ‏@IanPrendergast

36m​

Disappointing the footage of Ricky Henderson aired. We'll follow up to find out why. Cameras in place on basis player privacy respected

Whoever let that go to air will be in a fair bit of strife methinks.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Was caught exposed in the change rooms at half time on Fox. The club are spewing about it, imagine a netballers **** or the map being shown?

Why do I have this image of Hans Blix in Team America... "we are going to write you a letter, saying how angry we are."

 

[Geoffa32]

For all the changes made they still seem like the fast moving, uncontested attacking team with a soft backline they have been for the past three years. The difference is that they are a bit fitter and running in lines/patterns that look like they actually have a coach. Key backs still can't stop key forwards taking marks and still getting beat out of the middle.


These are two areas we need to expose to win this game. Smash em in the middle, get the hard ball and feed Tex/Jenkins, lock down Schulz and we will win. We can not let them get the easy ball out of our HF line and let them run at goals. This is what they did last night.


We need to stretch their defence, Stiffy responded with his 7 goals for the Maggies, Callinan looks underdone. Surely these two swap.

I would also bring in Kerridge for Vince. Have to reward Kegs great start to the year in the SANFL, and Vince is not performing.