I like your optimism but I wouldn't put money on us playing finals this year, realistically we are a long way away.
I have a gorilla on at $4, already planning how to spend the money.
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I like your optimism but I wouldn't put money on us playing finals this year, realistically we are a long way away.
Neale is criticised for 'not being damaging enough' even though his hands in close and extraction are elite, in the same way that 'fyfe can't kick'I guess breaking the record for number of posessions in a season was just a bit of luck.
If Neale's hands in close are elite, are his handball skills in the contest as good as Simon Black or Greg Williams?
Isn't that what elite means?Do you define elite as "best of all time"?
Otherwise, that is a ridiculous question.
At a young age of 24 I will said maybe he can reach their height this year,next or 2019 where he is at his peak age of 26.If Neale's hands in close are elite, are his handball skills in the contest as good as Simon Black or Greg Williams?
Isn't that what elite means?
I'm rating him against elite midfielders that made up past great midfields - Williams, Black, Voss, Judd, Cousins, Ablett, Pendlebury, Fyfe - is he in that class of players or is he more of a Scott West type?
Most of the players I listed above had Brownlows and/or Norm Smiths by 24At a young age of 24 I will said maybe he can reach their height this year,next or 2019 where he is at his peak age of 26.
Is he as good as those?I would think that elite means among the best of their peers.
So comparing to Williams or Black is not fair. Nobody said Neale was of Legend status. Comparing to Pendlebury, Fyfe, Ablett Jnr and other midfielders is fairer.
Well depend on his current injury , he might get his brownlow this year. A lot depend on whether fyfe play more forward . As there is only one ball on the field. Vote will be share by both team on the field.Most of the players I listed above had Brownlows and/or Norm Smiths by 24
Is he as good as those?
I don't think his hands in close are even elite among his contemporaries. Eg I would rate Bontempelli and Liberatore as far better at creative handball (if you can call what Liberatore does "handball", but the umpires do, so it counts)
This is the kind of hyperbole that leads to disappointment once the season is underway. Most of our players aren't as good as we hope they are. I think Neale's a very good extractor who starred in a very poor team last year. Is he the best in his class, or even top five? For starters he's not the best in his team at winning the ball in congestion or being creative with handball.What can not be denied is that Neale is the greatest ball magnet of all time.
So because he's not as good as the best player in the comp he's overrated. He is in the top 1% of his peers for clearances and contested disposals. Sorry but I think you argument is really poor.This is the kind of hyperbole that leads to disappointment once the season is underway. Most of our players aren't as good as we hope they are. I think Neale's a very good extractor who starred in a very poor team last year. Is he the best in his class, or even top five? For starters he's not the best in his team at winning the ball in congestion or being creative with handball.
What do you mean 'top 1% of his peers'? Are you comparing him with key defenders and half back flankers?So because he's not as good as the best player in the comp he's overrated. He is in the top 1% of his peers for clearances and contested disposals. Sorry but I think you argument is really poor.
This is the kind of hyperbole that leads to disappointment once the season is underway. Most of our players aren't as good as we hope they are. I think Neale's a very good extractor who starred in a very poor team last year. Is he the best in his class, or even top five? For starters he's not the best in his team at winning the ball in congestion or being creative with handball.
Does that actually mean he is the greatest ball magnet of all time, or just had an outstanding season?I was simply acknowledging that he broke the record for the most disposals in the season. No hyperbole there. Just numbers.
What do you mean 'top 1% of his peers'? Are you comparing him with key defenders and half back flankers?
There are maybe 100 midfielders that could be counted as first choice mids. If he is in the top 1% of those he is the best.
Maybe try to discuss what I've actually said. If he has elite hands and extraction, then who is he currently better than at those skills? Fyfe? Pendlebury? Liberatore? Kennedy? Bontempelli? Ablett? Mitchell?You are being disingenuous now.
This seems to be your thought process:
"I don't like Lachie Neale.
I will call him overrated.
I will make up classifications that can exclude him so that I can justify my dislike. This includes the term elite and top 1% of his peers."
According to these definitions, elite means one or two players in the history of football, and top 1% means one person.
In my opinion, based on what you've said, Lachie Neale is underrated.
Your argument is getting worse by the post. So you say there are 100 midfielders give or take in the comp and he has to be in the top 1% to be considered elite? So by your standards there is only 1 elite midfielder?What do you mean 'top 1% of his peers'? Are you comparing him with key defenders and half back flankers?
There are maybe 100 midfielders that could be counted as first choice mids. If he is in the top 1% of those he is the best.
Your argument is getting worse by the post. So you say there are 100 midfielders give or take in the comp and he has to be in the top 1% to be considered elite? So by your standards there is only 1 elite midfielder?
As I keep saying, he had a very good year in a very poor team, that had a depleted midfield due to injury and bad form. Does this mean he should be bracketed with the best in the comp? If the team improves, will his figures stay the same? What do his figures mean in context?FWIW Neale was 1st for disposals, 3rd for clearances, 3rd for contested possessions and had a DE 72.9% which is in the top bracket for inside mids. 6% higher than Kennedy for example.
Maybe try to discuss what I've actually said. If he has elite hands and extraction, then who is he currently better than at those skills? Fyfe? Pendlebury? Liberatore? Kennedy? Bontempelli? Ablett? Mitchell?
I've listed six players I'd suggest are perhaps better at those things than Neale. Others may feel there are more. Six out of ~600 footballers that played 1 game in 2016 is 1%.
So what is elite? Is it being in the top 1% of footballers? Top 10%? Top 50%? How do we categorise elite?
I have not misrepresented you. Your posts are still there for anyone to read. Tell me what you feel I need to address.Well at least this time you quoted my whole post. Makes it harder for you to misrepresent me.
You have now named 7 (not 6) footballers to compare with.
Are we really hanging our hat on him accumulating disposals in a team that finish third last making him an elite extractor?at getting possessions where he has just produced the best season of all time
Are we really hanging our hat on him accumulating disposals in a team that finish third last making him an elite extractor?