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Discussion in 'AFL - The Australian Football League' started by TheUndertaker, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:02 PM.
No but any support classification that doesn't include Adelaide and West Coast is meaningless.
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Just wait and see
Carlton are going through their painful journey the same as Richmond. Carlton are still a big club, but like Richmond of the 90s and 00s there have been too many restarts and false hopes for people to jump on board
The 2013 EF has to be the best attended elimination final ever. Carlton only had to show a skerrick of top four quality to get back there again.
Big 4 would be Collingwood, Richmond, Adelaide, WCE - maybe can throw Freo in these days
Even Essendon can't compete although their growth has been stunted by the move to Docklands.
Money and Public Relations/Image drives the AFL KPI's.
Fremantle are a bigger club than credited but they are a lot, lot smaller than the Eagles.
We're not anywhere near the big 4 at the moment.
We have so much work to do undoing past poor decisions by the footy club.
Hawthorn is up there, Carlton will be in a minute's notice if they were given room to breathe.
That's why they're in the poll !
Hawks replaced Carlton 5 years ago
Yeah we're definitely not. As someone said that once some success comes they will come out of the woodwork.
Richmond are about to become the biggest club in Aus. Essendon are gathering momentum and Collingwood are always there. I'd say it's a Big 3.
It’s entirely a Victorian concept.
It’s a group of clubs that can reliably host games at the MCG against any of the other group regardless of either of their ladder positions.
None of the other Victorian clubs can meet that definition. There are big non-Vic clubs but their support is almost wholly limited to their state.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find more Carlton fans in Queensland than Adelaide fans in Victoria.
I think that's the order at the moment.
Hawthorn are successful, but I wouldn't say that they are a bigger club then the other 5 teams.
Carlton have a lot of catching up to do.
Spot on with your first comment. Certainly the media have been well paid. You ask if the AFL think people are that stupid? I would say they know it. For some reason the AFL keep serving up an inferior product but the public keep turning up in droves. They don't realise they are being conned. To answer your third question, all the AFL do is PR, they couldn't give a shit about providing a good product.
Its hard to say whether Carlton are a big four club but its clear beyond a doubt that they are a bottom four club.
and victorians mock our shitfights
Couldn't care less. Coming from those intellectual giants it means even less again.
Far more concerned about making the top 4 again than being considered part of a big 4.
It pains me to say Carlton are still big 4. But with great pleasure I'd say they are of little significance. Favourable fixturing has helped keep attendances up again in 2017 finishing 4th behind Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon but 5k average behind them.
If they make big finals I'd expect a similar swell like Richmond created but instead of rabid fanaticism it would be gloating arrogance.
Long live Carlton's failures.
Swans “hugely unsuccessful on field”? They have 10 Premierships in their history - 8 if you don’t count the modern era. St Kilda have one. So its a bit unfair to be lumping them both in the same boat.
If you count VFA Geelong has 20 premierships.
In my view Carlton remain one of the Big 4 clubs, they’re simply in hibernation. They’re a Big 4 club that isn’t traveling well at the minute, but I’d liken them to a sleeping giant much like Richmond.
I agree with them, Hawks in blues out. Melb is the home of footy , not Adel or Perth or Geelong or bris.
We're the big clubs with the best membership in the home of footy. There it is !
Is "Big 4" defined as a club's capacity to be big, i.e. a static measurement, or is it redefined every so often as to be relevant with the dynamic figures seen in real time?
I've always seen Carlton as "Big 4", but I've struggled to not include Hawthorn in recent times. I think Hawks' near-merger with Melbourne in the mid '90s damaged its cred for many years until the recent string of flags.
The whole Big 4 concept is rather arbitrary and contrived. Nonetheless, for those supporters whom align themselves with a Big 4 side, it's obviously relevant even if only to a superficial level.
What we are saying "bro" is that the whole concept of Big 4 isn't discussed outside of those clubs.
If the other clubs in Melbourne talk about it then they have a serious case of small man syndrome.
In short: it's just a circlejerk of clubs who want to project some kind of superiority.
Conclusion- No-one else gives a ****
Hawthorn are so far beyond any other team it isn't even funny.
They've won a flag in every decade since the 60s. What they're doing for the game is ridiculous, with names like Lewis, Mitchell and Hodge moving to other clubs to support them, assistant coaches have all played finals (with two premierships and an additional grand final appearance - correct me if there's more..)
They're sitting at 70-80k members..
If there's a top 4, then Hawthorn aren't in it, they're above it..