Status in Question Sexual offenders attending AFL events

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Moshie The Mook said:
No Teeth No Ticket.
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Might be tough. This is that one time in 2009 when all the Collingwood supporters with superior dental hygeine all rocked up to Viccy Park for a convention.

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estibador said:
Seems like some kind of Limbo Club inside joke going on.
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No mate we've just found out there's a convicted sex offender who's tweeting Collingwood FC to say he's coming to training and we are debating whether Collingwood should be putting a strong block on him.
 
I've always felt that part of the parole process should involve some kind of restrictions on these people.

It might sound harsh, but one idea I've had is to mildly shatter their elbow, because not only is it cheap bit it's also pretty well established that you are then unable to undertake almost any activity that normal members of the community would usually engage in.

Thoughts?
 
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
 
Westicle said:
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
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Presumably he isn't allowed back on the internet or any kind of social media as a result, surely??
 
Impunity! said:
No mate we've just found out there's a convicted sex offender who's tweeting Collingwood FC to say he's coming to training and we are debating whether Collingwood should be putting a strong block on him.
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We are the real heroes :thumbsu:
 

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Westicle said:
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
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Also had images of child pornography on his computer.
 
I think it would be pretty much impossible for a entity to ban someone convicted of something to an event accessible to the public unless there is a constraint from the courts/law.

I have heard that at a train station in the south east (cant remember the station) there is a convicted molester who is banned from the station precinct. The dude is impaired and on a mobility scooter and has a long history of harassing at the station. This ban is enforced by the courts. Other than him, pretty much any other weirdo is free to travel.....
 
Westicle said:
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
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In this case the above is just when he finally got caught cold. Rehabilitation is unlikely, if you know what to look for, you'll find he's been this way for over a decade.
 
Westicle said:
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
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A couple of very minor details you left out

1) He was in possession of child pornography on his home computer

2) He was sentenced to a term of imprisonment as punishment

3) This isn't the first time he has shown a predilection for children
 
Westicle said:
Interesting reading. The dude in question apparently suffers from "mild intellectual impairment", suffered a brain injury in 2012 and still lives with his parents at age 40.

He exchanged 45 messages with an undercover cop posing as a 12 year old from Perth through a messaging app.
  • he did not falsify his identity or try to conceal it;
  • he did not encourage the female to keep the conversations secret;
  • he did not use coercion, threats or inducements;
  • the language he used was not ‘vile, violent or manipulative’;
  • he did not encourage the female to engage in specific sexual acts;
  • there was no suggestion of a physical meeting;
  • his descriptions of physical sexual activity were closer to the realm of fantasy than in other cases;
  • there was no actual victim;
  • the communications were limited in volume (45 messages in total);
  • the communications were of limited duration (3 dates in one week);
  • his level of persistence was at the lowest end;
  • he terminated the communications of his own volition;
  • he pleaded guilty at an early opportunity; and
  • he was remorseful and ashamed and had a desire to avoid similar activity in the future.
There is a pretty wide range of "sexual offending". I think there is a good question as to what level of offending justifies an individual who has (presumably) shown remorse and served his sentence being barred from attempting to rehabilitate in to society. Intuitively I wouldn't want him anywhere near kids or my club, is that too harsh a position? If kids are put at risk it is clearly unacceptable... so the question is what are the risks of this guy attending training sessions, apparently chaperoned by his mum.
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He fell off a ladder and suddenly became attracted to kids. Same thing happened to Gary Glitter.
 

To be honest I am really conflicted here as I hate what that man did but at the same time I feel like constantly demonising him, and isolating him from other things he loves (ie football) will mean he is more likely to offend again. Plus, Collingwood training he is not likely to run into a lot of children, at least not anymore than anywhere else, so if he wants to spend time at Collingwood training then it is fine. It would be a problem if he wanted to spend time around a playground but AFL training sessions is fine. We can't make these people disappear from our society, and it is more important to minimise the chance of them reoffending than it is to try and satisfy our own personal need for revenge.
 
RUNVS said:
To be honest I am really conflicted here as I hate what that man did but at the same time I feel like constantly demonising him, and isolating him from other things he loves (ie football) will mean he is more likely to offend again. Plus, Collingwood training he is not likely to run into a lot of children, at least not anymore than anywhere else, so if he wants to spend time at Collingwood training then it is fine. It would be a problem if he wanted to spend time around a playground but AFL training sessions is fine. We can't make these people disappear from our society, and it is more important to minimise the chance of them reoffending than it is to try and satisfy our own personal need for revenge.
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He's a racist too if that helps matters?
 
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