Player Watch Trent Bianco (Delisted 2023)

Saintly Viewed · Dec 10, 2019

CFC2010 said:
My nephew played with him at Marcellin along with Tyler.

He said he is a mad Pies supporter.

I didn’t even ask him if he rated him because Trent is living all our dreams now........it’s his choice to make it reality.

Is he?

didnt know that

I can see this is going to be a Pendlebury basketball thing.

Apex36 · Dec 10, 2019

siggins said:
Jesus Christ, why do you always sound like you’ve just eaten a turd sand which??

Probably because turds like yourself don’t actually pay attention to the point I’m posting and go off on tangents like the one below.

In the AA team this year there were only 7 players selected in the first round. The highest pick in the backline outside of Shannon Hurn was pick 42 (Houli).

In terms of player ratings, the following stand out as elite players taken later in the draft:

Neale
Hunter
Sloane
Ross
Zorko
Merret
Kelly
Houli
Crouch
Kennedy
Gawn
McGovern
Darling
Walters
Stewart
Grimes
Andrews
Cameron
Yeo

Fantastic. You’ve listed a bunch of players who are a tier below the ones being used as examples, in Mitchell, Swan, Hird etc. Maybe one of them in Neale might eventually reach those heights. Those are guys who are all time greats and we have people here likening Bianco to them before he even managed a game in the twos. If people like yourself didn’t miss the point and selectively read posts all the time they’d know that I’ve repeatedly said that very good players can still be had late, but these days it’s an extremely rare occurrence for an insane Brownlow polling superstar to be selected at that point.
How about we stop throwing those kinds of names out as comparisons and see how the kid actually performs first? Is it really that ******* hard?

Saintly Viewed · Dec 11, 2019

BEEG said:
15 pages and he has been compared to about 50 players so far.

He’s the whole list, rolled into one.

almost Tom Wilson like.

almost!

ClaytonM · Dec 11, 2019

Apex36 said:
How about we stop throwing those kinds of names out as comparisons and see how the kid actually performs first? Is it really that ******* hard?

I think that is what people throwing those names around are actually arguing.

Let’s not write him off because of his size or draft pick before he has even had a fair go. Nobody was claiming Trent will be the next legend, just there are plenty of smaller players and late draft picks who go on to have very good careers, a few even have exceptional careers.

jonbe54 · Dec 11, 2019

cityslick1 said:
nope... average height of an AFL player is 6'2"... so he is 4 inches below this, and hence... undersized. Josh Daicos is the same height, and is classy, but isnt a regular 22 player because he is exposed for height & pace. Would dare say its for these reasons we also took Rantall first. But doesn't mean he can't make it. Would love to have the next Sam Mitchell on our list... but more likeable

As you have swallowed the cool aid peddled by the media I will simply let it pass.

We disagree but you have no idea why.

Agree to disagree and let it pass.

TradeDraft · Dec 11, 2019

BEEG said:
15 pages and he has been compared to about 50 players so far.

Well that what Happens over the Pre-Season on here

cityslick1 · Dec 11, 2019

jonbe54 said:
As you have swallowed the cool aid peddled by the media I will simply let it pass.

We disagree but you have no idea why.

Agree to disagree and let it pass.

Haven’t listened to any media on this. Have purely watched the tapes and read his measurements & combine results. Would love it if he can become our Sidey replacement, but after looking up the records of who has made it from the similar types to him, the list is very thin. Think he has to be a midfield option to make it, and really build his tank or develop some high level contested skills, as any type of lock down defender will be a stretch.

TradeDraft · Dec 11, 2019

PieWithHorse · Dec 11, 2019

Apex36 said:
Probably because turds like yourself don’t actually pay attention to the point I’m posting and go off on tangents like the one below.

Fantastic. You’ve listed a bunch of players who are a tier below the ones being used as examples, in Mitchell, Swan, Hird etc. Maybe one of them in Neale might eventually reach those heights. Those are guys who are all time greats and we have people here likening Bianco to them before he even managed a game in the twos. If people like yourself didn’t miss the point and selectively read posts all the time they’d know that I’ve repeatedly said that very good players can still be had late, but these days it’s an extremely rare occurrence for an insane Brownlow polling superstar to be selected at that point.
How about we stop throwing those kinds of names out as comparisons and see how the kid actually performs first? Is it really that ******* hard?

I'm sorry, did I miss the part where someone made a direct comparison to Bianco being Sam Mitchell? So far as I can tell, the quote was:

"Dave there was a guy at hawthorn called Sam Mitchell that was also not very tall and also slipped a lot further in his draft year then he should've. If bianco has half the career he did we're the winners here."

So far as I can tell, that statement seems to fully acknowledge that Bianco is nowhere near the equal of Sam Mitchell either in terms of output (obviously), nor potential. In fact, it seems to acknowledge that if he has even a fraction of the career of Sam Mitchell, that would be a very good thing for Collingwood.

Where I believe the Sam Mitchell comparison came from was in a stylistic sense. When you read most draft profiles, the player comparisons tend not to be a direct comparison on output, but on style of play. One of my favourites which popped up again recently was Knightmares' comparison of De Goey in his draft year to Colin Sylvia. Whilst obviously De Goey's career already stands head and shoulders above that of Sylvia's, I'm sure even you can see how the comparison still isn't necessarily a bad one in terms of style of play. From what I have read about Bianco, the two players that immediately spring to mind in terms of comparable are Caleb Daniel (whom some have compared Bianco to) and Sam Mitchell. From this point of view, I don't necessarily believe that either of these are bad comparisons.

I was also curious about your notion that "it's an extremely rare occurrence for an insane Brownlow polling superstar to be selected at that point". I ran the numbers on the players who are currently still playing and ranked in the top 500 in terms of Brownlow votes. Whilst it is MORE LIKELY that a player selected in the first round will receive more Brownlow votes, it's certainly not RARE. 25% of the top 20 were selected outside of the first 2 rounds, and 28.6% of the top 70 players were selected in rounds 3+. You're also more likely to poll well in the Brownlow if you're selected in rounds 3+ than in round 2.

The numbers are here:

#	Player	Pick	Round	Round Count
1	Gary Ablett	40	3+	20
6	Patrick Dangerfield	10	1	39
8	Joel Selwood	7	1	39
9	Scott Pendlebury	5	1	39
16	Dustin Martin	3	1	39
18	Nat Fyfe	20	2	10
20	Lance Franklin	5	1	39
45	Josh Kennedy	40	3+	20
46	Trent Cotchin	2	1	39
48	Luke Hodge	1	1	39
69	Travis Boak	5	1	39
79	Marc Murphy	1	1	39
91	Dan Hannebery	30	2	10
102	Rory Sloane	44	3+	20
118	Luke Parker	40	3+	20
123	David Mundy	19	2	10
124	Andrew Gaff	4	1	39
127	Robbie Gray	55	3+	20
129	Dayne Beams	29	2	10
130	Lachie Neale	58	3+	20
133	Steele Sidebottom	11	1	39
134	Bryce Gibbs	1	1	39
138	Aaron Sandilands	Rookie	3+	20
139	Marcus Bontempelli	4	1	39
149	Luke Shuey	20	2	10
150	Callan Ward	19	2	10
153	Shaun Burgoyne	12	1	39
161	Nathan Jones	11	1	39
173	Brett Deledio	1	1	39
176	Tom Rockliff	Pre-Season	3+	20
186	Josh Kennedy	40	3+	20
188	Patrick Cripps	13	1	39
197	Jack Steven	42	3+	20
200	Daniel Wells	2	1	39
210	Dyson Heppell	8	1	39
214	Jordan Lewis	7	1	39
215	Adam Treloar	Underage	1	39
231	Shaun Higgins	11	1	39
234	Kade Simpson	45	3+	20
237	Jack Macrae	6	1	39
238	Dayne Zorko	34	3+	20
248	Todd Goldstein	37	3+	20
262	Zach Merrett	26	2	10
263	Ollie Wines	7	1	39
265	Kieren Jack	58	3+	20
267	Max Gawn	34	3+	20
284	Jarryd Roughead	2	1	39
305	Brad Ebert	13	1	39
307	Stephen Coniglio	2	1	39
315	Jarrad McVeigh	5	1	39
328	Mitch Duncan	28	2	10
331	Ben Cunnington	5	1	39
356	Jack Riewoldt	13	1	39
364	Dylan Shiel	Underage	1	39
369	Jack Ziebell	7	1	39
375	Brodie Grundy	18	1	39
388	Josh Kelly	2	1	39
408	Jeremy Cameron	Underage	1	39
420	Taylor Walker	75	3+	20
431	Elliot Yeo	30	2	10
443	Rory Laird	Rookie	3+	20
451	Sebastian Ross	25	2	10
463	David Zaharakis	11	1	39
468	Eddie Betts	Pre-Season	3+	20
472	Michael Walters	53	3+	20
478	Tom Hawkins	41	3+	20
481	Clayton Oliver	4	1	39
487	David Armitage	9	1	39
494	Harry Taylor	17	1	39

Leviathan Pie · Dec 11, 2019

Apex36 said:
Probably because turds like yourself don’t actually pay attention to the point I’m posting and go off on tangents like the one below.

Fantastic. You’ve listed a bunch of players who are a tier below the ones being used as examples, in Mitchell, Swan, Hird etc. Maybe one of them in Neale might eventually reach those heights. Those are guys who are all time greats and we have people here likening Bianco to them before he even managed a game in the twos. If people like yourself didn’t miss the point and selectively read posts all the time they’d know that I’ve repeatedly said that very good players can still be had late, but these days it’s an extremely rare occurrence for an insane Brownlow polling superstar to be selected at that point.
How about we stop throwing those kinds of names out as comparisons and see how the kid actually performs first? Is it really that ******* hard?

Footy fans and recent draftees are a recipe for unhinged levels of nuffie.

Often can understand fan IQ based off comments on draftees.

NeXt PeNdlEbuRy.

jonbe54 · Dec 12, 2019

Anyone who bases their assessment of a players career purely on Brownlow medals is in need of some common sense I feel.

Just some examples . . .

Robert Flower - A hall of famer for Melbourne - never got closer than 3rd

Our own Swannie - came second in the charlie the year the pundits all agreed he should have won it and won it the year the same pundits agreed he should have finished runner up.

Also back men are NEVER in the running in modern day football

Ditto forward pockets and utility players.

The charlie is all about umpires impressions about a game which means it is overwhelmingly a midfield / followers medal - and flashy ones at that.

Leviathan Pie · Dec 12, 2019

jonbe54 said:
Anyone who bases their assessment of a players career purely on Brownlow medals is in need of some common sense I feel.

Just some examples . . .

Robert Flower - A hall of famer for Melbourne - never got closer than 3rd

Our own Swannie - came second in the charlie the year the pundits all agreed he should have won it and won it the year the same pundits agreed he should have finished runner up.

Also back men are NEVER in the running in modern day football

Ditto forward pockets and utility players.

The charlie is all about umpires impressions about a game which means it is overwhelmingly a midfield / followers medal - and flashy ones at that.

James Clement is in my top 5 Collingwood players of all-time, and yet received 13 Brownlow votes in his time @ the Pies.

Shows you the futility of the award.

sr36 · Dec 12, 2019

jonbe54 said:
Anyone who bases their assessment of a players career purely on Brownlow medals is in need of some common sense I feel.

Just some examples . . .

Robert Flower - A hall of famer for Melbourne - never got closer than 3rd

Our own Swannie - came second in the charlie the year the pundits all agreed he should have won it and won it the year the same pundits agreed he should have finished runner up.

Also back men are NEVER in the running in modern day football

Ditto forward pockets and utility players.

The charlie is all about umpires impressions about a game which means it is overwhelmingly a midfield / followers medal - and flashy ones at that.

Agree with the opening line.

In terms of it being a midfielders medal, now that the game has changed and KPFs aren't as dominant as they once were - the best most dominant players in the league all play in the midfield - they should be winning the awards.

pugsville · Dec 12, 2019

siggins said:
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where someone made a direct comparison to Bianco being Sam Mitchell? So far as I can tell, the quote was:

"Dave there was a guy at hawthorn called Sam Mitchell that was also not very tall and also slipped a lot further in his draft year then he should've. If bianco has half the career he did we're the winners here."

So far as I can tell, that statement seems to fully acknowledge that Bianco is nowhere near the equal of Sam Mitchell either in terms of output (obviously), nor potential. In fact, it seems to acknowledge that if he has even a fraction of the career of Sam Mitchell, that would be a very good thing for Collingwood.

Where I believe the Sam Mitchell comparison came from was in a stylistic sense. When you read most draft profiles, the player comparisons tend not to be a direct comparison on output, but on style of play. One of my favourites which popped up again recently was Knightmares' comparison of De Goey in his draft year to Colin Sylvia. Whilst obviously De Goey's career already stands head and shoulders above that of Sylvia's, I'm sure even you can see how the comparison still isn't necessarily a bad one in terms of style of play. From what I have read about Bianco, the two players that immediately spring to mind in terms of comparable are Caleb Daniel (whom some have compared Bianco to) and Sam Mitchell. From this point of view, I don't necessarily believe that either of these are bad comparisons.

I was also curious about your notion that "it's an extremely rare occurrence for an insane Brownlow polling superstar to be selected at that point". I ran the numbers on the players who are currently still playing and ranked in the top 500 in terms of Brownlow votes. Whilst it is MORE LIKELY that a player selected in the first round will receive more Brownlow votes, it's certainly not RARE. 25% of the top 20 were selected outside of the first 2 rounds, and 28.6% of the top 70 players were selected in rounds 3+. You're also more likely to poll well in the Brownlow if you're selected in rounds 3+ than in round 2.

The numbers are here:

# Player Pick Round Round Count
1
Gary Ablett 40 3+
20
6
Patrick Dangerfield 10 1
39
8
Joel Selwood 7 1
39
9
Scott Pendlebury 5 1
39
16
Dustin Martin 3 1
39
18
Nat Fyfe 20 2
10
20
Lance Franklin 5 1
39
45
Josh Kennedy 40 3+
20
46
Trent Cotchin 2 1
39
48
Luke Hodge 1 1
39
69
Travis Boak 5 1
39
79
Marc Murphy 1 1
39
91
Dan Hannebery 30 2
10
102
Rory Sloane 44 3+
20
118
Luke Parker 40 3+
20
123
David Mundy 19 2
10
124
Andrew Gaff 4 1
39
127
Robbie Gray 55 3+
20
129
Dayne Beams 29 2
10
130
Lachie Neale 58 3+
20
133
Steele Sidebottom 11 1
39
134
Bryce Gibbs 1 1
39
138
Aaron Sandilands Rookie 3+
20
139
Marcus Bontempelli 4 1
39
149
Luke Shuey 20 2
10
150
Callan Ward 19 2
10
153
Shaun Burgoyne 12 1
39
161
Nathan Jones 11 1
39
173
Brett Deledio 1 1
39
176
Tom Rockliff Pre-Season 3+
20
186
Josh Kennedy 40 3+
20
188
Patrick Cripps 13 1
39
197
Jack Steven 42 3+
20
200
Daniel Wells 2 1
39
210
Dyson Heppell 8 1
39
214
Jordan Lewis 7 1
39
215
Adam Treloar Underage 1
39
231
Shaun Higgins 11 1
39
234
Kade Simpson 45 3+
20
237
Jack Macrae 6 1
39
238
Dayne Zorko 34 3+
20
248
Todd Goldstein 37 3+
20
262
Zach Merrett 26 2
10
263
Ollie Wines 7 1
39
265
Kieren Jack 58 3+
20
267
Max Gawn 34 3+
20
284
Jarryd Roughead 2 1
39
305
Brad Ebert 13 1
39
307
Stephen Coniglio 2 1
39
315
Jarrad McVeigh 5 1
39
328
Mitch Duncan 28 2
10
331
Ben Cunnington 5 1
39
356
Jack Riewoldt 13 1
39
364
Dylan Shiel Underage 1
39
369
Jack Ziebell 7 1
39
375
Brodie Grundy 18 1
39
388
Josh Kelly 2 1
39
408
Jeremy Cameron Underage 1
39
420
Taylor Walker 75 3+
20
431
Elliot Yeo 30 2
10
443
Rory Laird Rookie 3+
20
451
Sebastian Ross 25 2
10
463
David Zaharakis 11 1
39
468
Eddie Betts Pre-Season 3+
20
472
Michael Walters 53 3+
20
478
Tom Hawkins 41 3+
20
481
Clayton Oliver 4 1
39
487
David Armitage 9 1
39
494
Harry Taylor 17 1
39

Just of the top of My Head, Josh kennedy, Hawkins, Ablett were father son, Walker a NSW scheme selection so not really taken in an open draft at that position. That's 2 of the 5 making the 25% of the top 20, drops to 15%.

jackcass · Dec 13, 2019

Leviathan Pie said:
James Clement is in my top 5 Collingwood players of all-time, and yet received 13 Brownlow votes in his time @ the Pies.

Shows you the futility of the award.

Or maybe says more about your selections. Would be a shoo-in for the best 22 of the modern era but unlikely to even be among the top 5 of that team let alone all time. Just off the top of my head, Buckley (TotC), Daicos (TotC), Swan, Pendles, Brown (TotC), Wright, Millane (TotC), Burns, McGuane, Shaw (TotC) and Russell would arguably all rank higher just from the modern era best 22. It is subjective though.

Leviathan Pie · Dec 13, 2019

jackcass said:
Or maybe says more about your selections. Would be a shoo-in for the best 22 of the modern era but unlikely to even be among the top 5 of that team let alone all time. Just off the top of my head, Buckley (TotC), Daicos (TotC), Swan, Pendles, Brown (TotC), Wright, Millane (TotC), Burns, McGuane, Shaw (TotC) and Russell would arguably all rank higher just from the modern era best 22. It is subjective though.

Reckon you don't understand football if you have the bolded in-front of Clement.

You've also essentially named all midfielders, which goes back to the original discussion about the Brownlow being a midfielders award. So i rest my case.

sr36 · Dec 13, 2019

Leviathan Pie said:
Reckon you don't understand football if you have the bolded in-front of Clement.

You've also essentially named all midfielders, which goes back to the original discussion about the Brownlow being a midfielders award. So i rest my case.

Brown and Millane?
Under your theory most players and coaches don't understand footy either. Whenever a good flanker hits the league, the whole football community wants them to become a midfielder, because mids are involved in more contests and it's thus believed they have a bigger influence on the game. Generally speaking, the best players who have the most impact play in the midfield, thus they rightfully win the awards.

I do agree that Clement was bloody wonderful.

Leviathan Pie · Dec 13, 2019

sr36 said:
Brown and Millane?
Under your theory most players and coaches don't understand footy either. Whenever a good flanker hits the league, the whole football community wants them to become a midfielder, because mids are involved in more contests and it's thus believed they have a bigger influence on the game. Generally speaking, the best players who have the most impact play in the midfield, thus they rightfully win the awards.

I do agree that Clement was bloody wonderful.

Bianco thread being hijacked, sorry young man.

We can pick this up somewhere else.

jackcass · Dec 13, 2019

Leviathan Pie said:
Reckon you don't understand football if you have the bolded in-front of Clement.

You've also essentially named all midfielders, which goes back to the original discussion about the Brownlow being a midfielders award. So i rest my case.

LOL... Brown and Millane made the Collingwood team of the century so it's just not my understanding of the game that you're questioning.

Where they played is irrelevant to how good they were.

But you've essentially conceded my point anyway by not disputing that Buckley, Pendles, Daicos, Swan and Shaw are better, and that's without even looking at the stars of yesteryear like Bobby Rose, Jack Regan, Gordon & Syd Coventry et al.

If there's a case to be rested, I think it's mine.

Leviathan Pie · Dec 13, 2019

jackcass said:
LOL... Brown and Millane made the Collingwood team of the century so it's just not my understanding of the game that you're questioning.

Where they played is irrelevant to how good they were.

But you've essentially conceded my point anyway by not disputing that Buckley, Pendles, Daicos, Swan and Shaw are better, and that's without even looking at the stars of yesteryear like Bobby Rose, Jack Regan, Gordon & Syd Coventry et al.

If there's a case to be rested, I think it's mine.

If you read my post, I said in my top 5 - not yours.

I'm not going to argue semantics around the likes of Tony Shaw/James Clement, when you're comparing players of such different traits (but undeniable quality). I'd have Clement in front of him as a player, but theres essentially no right or wrong.

As for comparing players in an era where the league was 6 teams, and these guys kicked the pill around on the weekend for fun - I don't think theres a case to be made.

sr36 · Dec 13, 2019

jackcass said:
LOL... Brown and Millane made the Collingwood team of the century so it's just not my understanding of the game that you're questioning.

Where they played is irrelevant to how good they were.

But you've essentially conceded my point anyway by not disputing that Buckley, Pendles, Daicos, Swan and Shaw are better, and that's without even looking at the stars of yesteryear like Bobby Rose, Jack Regan, Gordon & Syd Coventry et al.

If there's a case to be rested, I think it's mine.

Shaw is more of a club legend than Clement , but he wasn't a better player than him.

It's unlikely, but hopefully Biancos name belongs in this conversation one day.

Horaceg · Dec 13, 2019

jackcass said:
LOL... Brown and Millane made the Collingwood team of the century so it's just not my understanding of the game that you're questioning.

Where they played is irrelevant to how good they were.

But you've essentially conceded my point anyway by not disputing that Buckley, Pendles, Daicos, Swan and Shaw are better, and that's without even looking at the stars of yesteryear like Bobby Rose, Jack Regan, Gordon & Syd Coventry et al.

If there's a case to be rested, I think it's mine.

I think Peter Moore is a noticeable absentee from that list but he did win his second Brownlow at Melbourne.

The real point of my post is that I don't believe Bianco will be as tall as Peter Moore.

jackcass · Dec 13, 2019

Leviathan Pie said:
If you read my post, I said in my top 5 - not yours.

I'm not going to argue semantics around the likes of Tony Shaw/James Clement, when you're comparing players of such different traits (but undeniable quality). I'd have Clement in front of him as a player, but theres essentially no right or wrong.

As for comparing players in an era where the league was 6 teams, and these guys kicked the pill around on the weekend for fun - I don't think theres a case to be made.

And if you read my post, I wasn't challenging that he was in your top 5, I was querying your selection process. I even acknowledged that it is subjective. You respond by questioning my understanding of the game and resting cases.

He was certainly more athletic and skillful than Shaw but I'm not sure that makes him a better footballer, football isn't always about looking good.

Gordon Coventry kicked just under 1300 goals in over 300 games (average 4.25/game - 7th highest all-time) for Collingwood and another 100 odd representing the state. Only 1 player has ever surpassed that.

Jack Regan was arguably duded for the full back position in the AFL team of the century so not just a Collingwood legend.

Many that saw him play (my father included) still claim Bob Rose is the best footballer they've seen represent the Collingwood football club. Runner up in a Charlie and 4x B&F winner and he left the club at 27yo in his prime. Rose was before my time but for me John Greening remains the best player I've seen play for Collingwood.

Others like Leeter Collier won a brownlow and was a 3 time B&F six time premiership winning CHB.

You can't just dismiss their quality or achievements.

I understand what you're saying about Clement and I'd certainly elevate him ahead of Picken (and I loved "here come's Billy) if you were re-selecting the team of the century looking back from today, but neither of them merit the KPD roles they're associated with so that doesn't even make them best by position. I'm just questioning how anyone can have him top 5 "all time".

UpNDeGoey · Dec 13, 2019

Boy, it’s definitely the off-season isn’t it.

Horaceg · Dec 13, 2019

Clement retired too early in my book, great footballer. I don't think Bianco will, seems pretty eager.

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