Universal Love Welcome to Freo- Josh Treacy

[Okinakashi]

Suggests he could comfortably carry 55 yards without having to force it.

Having someone in the team who can reliably kick goals from 55+m out really stretches the defense. Opposition defenders had to stick to Pav when he led past 50m, because he often kicked long bombs.

We've missed a player like that for a few years...

 

[Taylor]

That's a great point. Those kicks were motoring through the goals, halfway up. He could have drilled them from ten metres further back or more.

Having him take a mark 52 and drilling the goal from 58 to 60m comfortably will change our entire season because of what you mentioned.

 

[Spirit Level]

Think we might just have one here

 

[Bring back Drum]

It’s a pity there are reduced rotations this season as I think there was a strong possibility that we played Tabs, Lobb & the big Kahuna in the same forward line often.
Treacy started in the middle (not ruck)at times a couple of seasons ago & was looking for more of that in 2020. All meaning he must be more than a kick mark player, but have some mobility.
With Sturt injured & weeks away, Treacy could give us flexibility as a main target if Lobb or Tabs aren’t forward or a roaming third tall in the Sturt/Fyfe mould.

 

[88mph]

Can you imagine how excited we would have been if Hogan kicked 2x in a scratchie....

This kid is going places.

Lock for round 1

 

[theGav56]

Is it better to develop Treacy in the third tall/KPF at AFL level, or in the KPF position at WAFL?

He is clearly physically strong, though his fitness may be below what is required at AFL level. In my mind he looks quite capable of being fast tracked, and I suspect would enjoy the challenge.

We have a problem in the forward line with both Taberner and Darcy being unable to complete seasons uninsured. Meek stepping up is timely, but a genuine specialist KPP is critical.

A few games in the WAFL, then a gig in the big time is what I am expecting from Josh.

 

[GingerDocker]

Is it better to develop Treacy in the third tall/KPF at AFL level, or in the KPF position at WAFL?

He is clearly physically strong, though his fitness may be below what is required at AFL level. In my mind he looks quite capable of being fast tracked, and I suspect would enjoy the challenge.

We have a problem in the forward line with both Taberner and Darcy being unable to complete seasons uninsured. Meek stepping up is timely, but a genuine specialist KPP is critical.

A few games in the WAFL, then a gig in the big time is what I am expecting from Josh.

I'm not sure what the best way forward is with him, although he does give the impression he will relish the role of learning at the higher level.

I just know it's a ******* breath of fresh air, to have a young, aggressive, developing key forward on the books.

He is a cult figure waiting to happen. The first time he bulldozes a pack and dobs one from outside 50, that status will only intensify.

 

[freoextra]

Is it better to develop Treacy in the third tall/KPF at AFL level, or in the KPF position at WAFL?

He is clearly physically strong, though his fitness may be below what is required at AFL level. In my mind he looks quite capable of being fast tracked, and I suspect would enjoy the challenge.

We have a problem in the forward line with both Taberner and Darcy being unable to complete seasons uninsured. Meek stepping up is timely, but a genuine specialist KPP is critical.

A few games in the WAFL, then a gig in the big time is what I am expecting from Josh.

I think there is a place for him in the 22 from round one whilst Sturt is unavailable. The way I would play it is to have him in the forward line when Fyfe is not. This should give him about 60% on field time which is very normal for a first year player. I feel we need to give him a taste of structures in the real thing to develop and fast track in case of a KPF breaking down later in the year. If Sturt was available, I would have left Treacy in the WAFL for a number of weeks.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Get excited. This kid is good

 

[Wally Walpamur]

As I think I said in his draft thread, he reminds me of an uninjured, able-bodied Apeness.

He just runs in a straight line and throws his body around with reckless abandon.

 

[Stronzo]

Wow, I haven’t followed who we drafted, just watched the highlight from the slime game and I had to know more about this bloke.

He looks like a beast.

 

[anchor man]

As I think I said in his draft thread, he reminds me of an uninjured, able-bodied Apeness.

He just runs in a straight line and throws his body around with reckless abandon.

Better kick, and quicker.Though I was huge fan of Apeness.This kid has something more.

 

[Taylor]

Don't put too much pressure on Pav Jr.

 

[rubydoomsday]

I think there is a place for him in the 22 from round one whilst Sturt is unavailable. The way I would play it is to have him in the forward line when Fyfe is not. This should give him about 60% on field time which is very normal for a first year player. I feel we need to give him a taste of structures in the real thing to develop and fast track in case of a KPF breaking down later in the year. If Sturt was available, I would have left Treacy in the WAFL for a number of weeks.

He has the right build and what looks like a good skills/game intelligence base. And he's still grooooowing...

With the right mentality and fitness/conditioning, he's got a huge future. We've needed a true, pack-crashing KPP who can frighten piss out of defenders for a while now.

May the stars align for young Treacy.

 

[Joose]

He has some skills it seems plus the all-important footy nous although its early days yet. I think young Josh would be a bit better than just a pack-crasher.

My instinct would be to hold off on a debut just yet. Let him develop as a pure KPF in the WAFL for a few weeks. Tabs and Rory + Fyfe in the forward line is a good balance at this stage. Throw in Henry, Sonny and Switta as the smalls and you have a pretty potent forward line.

 

[DeanS]

You've got to ask - how the hell did he get through to the rookie draft?

 

[Bigger]

Played as a bottom ager in 2019 with the "wait and sees" that come with that. Didn't get a chance to strut his stuff last year.

 

[FreoRicci]

P

You've got to ask - how the hell did he get through to the rookie draft?

Practically the forwards at Freo are either Rookie Draft- Tabs, Treacy, Schulz, Switt. or Trade- Colyer, Lobb. Haven’t drafted forwards with high draft picks in gods know how long.
Walters was a late pick, Fredrick too. Crowden as well.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

P

Practically the forwards at Freo are either Rookie Draft- Tabs, Treacy, Schulz, Switt. or Trade- Colyer, Lobb. Haven’t drafted forwards with high draft picks in gods know how long.
Walters was a late pick, Fredrick too. Crowden as well.

Henry in 2019 was a high draft pick.

Also if I recall we have drafted forwards like Apeness; just doesn't seem to work out for us.

 

[One_Wing]

P

Practically the forwards at Freo are either Rookie Draft- Tabs, Treacy, Schulz, Switt. or Trade- Colyer, Lobb. Haven’t drafted forwards with high draft picks in gods know how long.
Walters was a late pick, Fredrick too. Crowden as well.

Sturt and Henry were first rounders. Hopefully Sturt can get on the park soon.

 

[theGav56]

Sturt and Henry were first rounders. Hopefully Sturt can get on the park soon.

And Fyfe was a forward when we drafted him.

 

[vidwhal]

You've got to ask - how the hell did he get through to the rookie draft?

Imagine if in 30 years time we're Reading about Treacey's hof career. I'd be most pleased, personally.

On AOSP on Manta using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[vidwhal]

I'm interested in people's thoughts on how Josh would have most likely performed had he been able to play last year. Based on his preseason form and physical traits, do you think he'd be discussed in the same vein as Thilthorpe and the like? Would he have likely been taken top 10? Have we inadvertently drafted a forward with "SURE THING" stamped onto his forehead?

On AOSP on Manta using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Ysaye]

I'm interested in people's thoughts on how Josh would have most likely performed had he been able to play last year. Based on his preseason form and physical traits, do you think he'd be discussed in the same vein as Thilthorpe and the like? Would he have likely been taken top 10? Have we inadvertently drafted a forward with "SURE THING" stamped onto his forehead?

On AOSP on Manta using BigFooty.com mobile app

Athletically and versatility wise it is hard to compare him to Thilthorpe in terms of draft outcomes; you are comparing 195cm with one that is 200cm, and whilst both are quick (both sub 2 seconds for 20m which is very fast for big men) but Thilthorpe is again even quicker that and has a better jump. In a recruiters eyes, Thilthorpe is also very versatile and can play both ruck and forward; this gets you even more draft day points as a tall prospect. Still Treacy's speed is above average for AFL.

A better comparison at the top end would be Logan McDonald as a player who is only going to play forward; Logan had an outstanding season beating men and being right up the top of the goal kickers in the WAFL. Whilst both are really good kicks on goal, McDonald gets his goals through a range of different ways, whereas Treacy as far as I can see he relies very heavily on lead-up mark and goal, which you can't rely on in AFL proper (he does seem to have the body to do other things though). McDonald also has for years been able to get a run on on goals and kick large numbers in the one game; which is an area Treacy doesn't do yet.

The other one would be Jamarra Ugle Hagan; both are the same size, speed and dedicated key forward types, but Ugle Hagan gets his goals again in many different ways (massive overhead marking, crumbing etc.) has a massive leap, and can play like both a small and a tall forward. Worse comes to worse, Ugle Hagan can probably play wing or in the backline; Treacy can't do that. Again Treacy loses out on the versatility of how he can get those goals, versatility of position and doesn't have the raw X factor the Ugle Hagan has.

If he had kicked say 6 or 7 goals for Vic Country, then I think he could have elevated himself into the conversation for a pick 30s - 60s (Shannon Neale territory where he is slightly versatile than Shannon Neale about as athletic but has more results, also has the advantage over Neale of coming from the state with the most clubs). However, I think had the U18s gone ahead, a lot of the ball movement would have been drawn to Ugle Hagan and so it would have been difficult for him to put those results on the board.

 

[theGav56]

Athletically and versatility wise it is hard to compare him to Thilthorpe in terms of draft outcomes; you are comparing 195cm with one that is 200cm, and whilst both are quick (both sub 2 seconds for 20m which is very fast for big men) but Thilthorpe is again even quicker that and has a better jump. In a recruiters eyes, Thilthorpe is also very versatile and can play both ruck and forward; this gets you even more draft day points as a tall prospect. Still Treacy's speed is above average for AFL.

A better comparison at the top end would be Logan McDonald as a player who is only going to play forward; Logan had an outstanding season beating men and being right up the top of the goal kickers in the WAFL. Whilst both are really good kicks on goal, McDonald gets his goals through a range of different ways, whereas Treacy as far as I can see he relies very heavily on lead-up mark and goal, which you can't rely on in AFL proper (he does seem to have the body to do other things though). McDonald also has for years been able to get a run on on goals and kick large numbers in the one game; which is an area Treacy doesn't do yet.

The other one would be Jamarra Ugle Hagan; both are the same size, speed and dedicated key forward types, but Ugle Hagan gets his goals again in many different ways (massive overhead marking, crumbing etc.) has a massive leap, and can play like both a small and a tall forward. Worse comes to worse, Ugle Hagan can probably play wing or in the backline; Treacy can't do that. Again Treacy loses out on the versatility of how he can get those goals, versatility of position and doesn't have the raw X factor the Ugle Hagan has.

If he had kicked say 6 or 7 goals for Vic Country, then I think he could have elevated himself into the conversation for a pick 30s - 60s (Shannon Neale territory where he is slightly versatile than Shannon Neale about as athletic but has more results, also has the advantage over Neale of coming from the state with the most clubs). However, I think had the U18s gone ahead, a lot of the ball movement would have been drawn to Ugle Hagan and so it would have been difficult for him to put those results on the board.

Appreciate your comments and agree about the points that add draft value. Treacy has a couple of positive. His aggression, and especially his defensive pressure are damn useful in a KPF.

I am also pretty happy with a dedicated marking forward who can score from outside 50.