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No, its the same one. They did a name change to fit in.
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No, its the same one. They did a name change to fit in.
Good luck with that, you have Truganina oval ready to go which would be about 2km from Williams Landing, a demographic moving to both Williams Landing and Truganina that has no interest in AFL football. Unless a club relocates to one of the grounds both will be for 12 months of Cricket.
I'm surprised the Suns haven't moved to Truganina, they originated just around the corner and the facility at Truganina is a lot better than Goddard St. They would want to get in quick, or Old Westbourne might just set up Westbourne Juniors.
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Zing.
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Gauranteed that Westbourne will be trying to set up juniors. They will have to do it outside the school facilities though
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The great white whale.
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Indeed. Can't have them digging up the playing surface with their grubby little boots. Which is no doubt why the school sent their own XVIII to train on the main oval at Goddard St last year...
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That's always annoyed me, private school sides using public parks, ovals etc.
They don't want to help out with public clubs or organisations until it suits them.
Think you will find that there is oval shape and the other ground that has the lights on it is rectangle.
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AFLX??? LOL
Football, Soccer and tennis club sharing the same facility with AFL not able to train in winter after 5pm due to no lights, yep that's going to work.
If Westbourne want to establish Juniors they have the new Truganina facility 2 ovals for AFL the pavilion already built, it is ready to go for this season and is about 1km away from the school. Like to be at the meeting if Westbourne applied to join the competition with Juniors, the old Westbourne people who run the Suns now wouldn't be to happy.
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So Westbourne go to the herald sun and say this comp, wont let our kids play, and it will be front page news and the league will be forced to let them play.
Werribee centrals, willi, st.bernards, pegs, point cook until this year, werribee until 4 years ago are precedent of letting juniors compete in different league to seniors, facilitated by the WRFL.
The last thing any clubs should be doing is denying kids access to our game.
Better to have another side in to strengthen the competition.
The suns went one way and the grammarians went another. Surely a local rivalry with thier pasts would be sensational for the comp!
Werribee centrals, willi, st.bernards, pegs, point cook until this year, werribee until 4 years ago are precedent of letting juniors compete in different league to seniors, facilitated by the WRFL.
The last thing any clubs should be doing is denying kids access to our game.
Better to have another side in to strengthen the competition.
The suns went one way and the grammarians went another. Surely a local rivalry with thier pasts would be sensational for the comp!
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Such a local rivalry with their pasts could be poisonous. Junior football can be feral enough without artificially introducing conflict.
Yes its four seasons on but the pain and bitterness of the junior half of Westbourne being forced to fold or else establish a new club, plus the subsequent disgraceful and underhanded behaviour of some of the Westbourne and VAFA hierarchy, still lingers on. I'm over it but I don't have any involvement except as a fringe-dweller parent and helper. Fortunately time goes on and kids grow up and hopefully maturity wins the day.
But Westbourne deciding "oh hell, we really need the juniors after all" might be seen as the final "up yours" to those who invested so much time and energy week in week out for years building the club and subsidising the seniors. Just sayin'.
Yes its four seasons on but the pain and bitterness of the junior half of Westbourne being forced to fold or else establish a new club, plus the subsequent disgraceful and underhanded behaviour of some of the Westbourne and VAFA hierarchy, still lingers on. I'm over it but I don't have any involvement except as a fringe-dweller parent and helper. Fortunately time goes on and kids grow up and hopefully maturity wins the day.
But Westbourne deciding "oh hell, we really need the juniors after all" might be seen as the final "up yours" to those who invested so much time and energy week in week out for years building the club and subsidising the seniors. Just sayin'.
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Agree the rivalry could be poisonous.
Westbourne would be crazy to not try and get juniors if they have access to a ground as they have access to players through the school system. For clubs to be successful you need juniors, in the short term Westbourne Seniors will be OK.
Most of the Suns junior teams have fallen over, not sure what has happened to there junior program, other than the obvious of too many teams for limited amount of junior players.
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If the seniors teams are not playing in the WRFL the juniors should not be allowed to either. Go and play in the Amos, see how many parents will drive 10 Year old Jimmy to Lilydale at 8am Sunday morning.
It’s a player drain on the comp when they get to seniors and leave
Why should the WRFL develop all these kids to just see them leave?
Yes it’s selfish of the league but kids want to play footy they will play in the WRFL it’s that simple.
The league needs to start sorting itself out and being strong. Imagine in Keilor told the EDFL their juniors were going to play in the Riddell league what would happen.
Agree, more for the cash that Juniors bring to a club. You feel for the Suns people that stuck with the club, had to deal with being kicked off Westbourne's ovals, relocate to an oval with no Pavilion for 12 months that was with in stones throw of another club and if Westbourne was to field juniors that would really hurt. That's why the Suns would be mad not to squash this by claiming the new Truganina ovals.
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Flemmington are aligned to the UHVUS in the ammos, who interestingly played against Westbourne.
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Imagine the wrfl junior program,
With no Willi, no St.bernards, no Werribee districts, no point cook, wyndham suns first year was 19's in ammos, no pegs.
That was a realistic option only a few years ago. At the end of the day, if the league has an opportunity to showcase itself to the kids and put on a product that can encourage kids to stay.
Turning them away will only further cause a divide and in todays age where a kid has so many choices, why risk it?
Theres a bigger picture than just one league. How many players stay at the 1 club their whole lives now anyway? Chances are kids play across a number of leagues over a junior and senior career.
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The technical hitch being VAFA don't have juniors, just U19s. And yes the Westbourne and Suns VAFA U19s did involve travelling, much to the disgust of some parents and the calm acceptance of others, as the travel was a tradeoff for not having to scrape up 18 Year old Jimmy off the oval at Albion or Newport.
It wasn't helped by one smartarse club out in the Yarra Valley scheduling a game for a 9am start, right in the middle of the club debating whether to stick with VAFA or move to WRFL. Ever tried to get 24 hairy smelly teenage boys out of bed and ready to leave at 6:30am? Nah. Not good.
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Don't know where you heard that. With most clubs there is an ebb and flow, some years you have too many kids for one team and not enough to field two, so they play out of their age group or else get moved to another club who can fit them in. If most of the ones are top-age and move up the following year, it can leave you short of numbers for the ones who remain. Some clubs are lucky enough to have more than one team per age group, it makes it a lot easier to shuffle them around and retain the numbers. Remember kids play for fun, and its no fun being a bottom-age team being flogged every week because last years team cleaned up everyone else and got put in top grade (and WRFL being WRFL, unwilling to move them down to where they should play, and certain powerhouse clubs <cough>Hoppers<cough> tanking the grading games and so on).
Junior football is a crazy minefield of politics, power and success-hungry parents.
Suns teams haven't fallen over they have struggled to establish sides since the move. Doesn't help having two clubs trying to establish themselves in the same area
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3/4 of those kids would have gone to clubs that they can play at i the WRFL and therefore helped the league. Yes it would have hurt Point Cook but unfortunately that isn’t the league problem if they didn’t want to participate. I get you have a vested interest and I respect that but this wouldn’t happen in the EDFL
You can’t think they would all decide not too play at all can you?
The league needs to think about itself not helping the VAFA EDFL or GDFL. Its at a tipping point now.
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What was the deal with the Centrals coming back to the WRFL a few seasons back and then leaving again?
Surely the travel must be a problem for them.
Surely the travel must be a problem for them.
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When did Centrals comeback to the WRFL for a couple of years? Like all GDFL clubs they own a part of Buckleys in Geelong.
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I thought I read somewhere they came back for a few seasons and left again??
My bad if it's wrong.
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Juniors came back bout a decade ago
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