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Brownlow Medallist
Pretty awesome effort by Buddy in the modern era to even be anywhere near 1000
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He'll finish on 999 goals.
Pretty awesome effort by Buddy in the modern era to even be anywhere near 1000
Of course it has to do with the way the game is played today. Why do you think it is that since 2000 only ONE forward has cracked the 100, and that was Buddy in 2008?Has nothing to with the modern era.
Of course it has to do with the way the game is played today. Why do you think it is that since 2000 only ONE forward has cracked the 100, and that was Buddy in 2008?
My initial comment was that Buddy's effort in the modern era was especially awesome. It's awesome because full forwards don't kick centuries anymore and for a modern forward to be anywhere near 1000 goals is even more incredible. BECAUSE THE GAME HAS CHANGED.So how come we haven't had 10, 15, 20, 1000 goal kickers in the past?
The modern game has not seen many quality key forwards. Josh Kennedy is regarded by many as the 2nd best behind Franklin as it stands but would Kennedy be any better than Bill Brownless?
The game is just s**t right now and we have god awful key forwards currently running around who are pumped up like superstars.
They'd be just another forward running around in the 80's and 90's.
Has nothing to with the modern era. He's just a significantly better forward than any of his peers during this period of time.
Only 5 blokes in AFL history have cracked the ton for a reason. They were goal kicking freaks who had both longevity and consistency on their side. No different to Buddy.
Guys like Kennedy, Fevola, Riewoldt, Hawkins, Cameron are very good but in comparison, no different to Gehrig, Rocca, Neitz, Sumich who were a step below the very best of the best.
In fairness to players like Riewoldt and Hawkins they do a ton of work up the ground (which will naturally lead to less goals kicked). Kennedy is probably one of a dying breed - the mostly stay deep in 50 full forward - and even then he is still required to put in a shift outside 50 when required, and will still end up nowhere near 1000.
Don't think we'll ever see a FF kick 100 in a season or 1000 in a career in the short or medium term because of how the game has evolved. Will need a drastic change in how the game is played.
In fairness to players like Riewoldt and Hawkins they do a ton of work up the ground (which will naturally lead to less goals kicked). Kennedy is probably one of a dying breed - the mostly stay deep in 50 full forward - and even then he is still required to put in a shift outside 50 when required, and will still end up nowhere near 1000.
Don't think we'll ever see a FF kick 100 in a season or 1000 in a career in the short or medium term because of how the game has evolved. Will need a drastic change in how the game is played.
Buddy does a tonne of work up the ground as well. Also he is actually far more selfless than most people give him credit for.
Don't think we'll ever see a FF kick 100 in a season or 1000 in a career in the short or medium term because of how the game has evolved. Will need a drastic change in how the game is played.
Only difference with Fev is that he didn't have his head screwed on properly. He was more naturally gifted than Franklin IMO - could mark and kick the ball better and had some party tricks of his own. Unfortunately, he was a bit of a child and that seeped into his game. He'd throw tantrums, get frustrated easily, etc.Guys like Kennedy, Fevola, Riewoldt, Hawkins, Cameron are very good but in comparison, no different to Gehrig, Rocca, Neitz, Sumich who were a step below the very best of the best.
Only difference with Fev is that he didn't have his head screwed on properly. He was more naturally gifted than Franklin IMO - could mark and kick the ball better and had some party tricks of his own. Unfortunately, he was a bit of a child and that seeped into his game. He'd throw tantrums, get frustrated easily, etc.
Have you ever watched Fevola play?I know you support Carlton but this is a bit much.
Over 1000 in the age of flooding is a stunning effort.
Could have finished with 4 flags though, not 2
Have you ever watched Fevola play?
What makes you say that? And what do you think he would have preferred, even if that was the case?Wouldn't have the chance to get to 1000 if he stayed a Hawk.
Have you ever watched Fevola play?
Have you ever watched Fevola play?
I didn't say he was the better player, I said he had a higher skill-ceiling. His kicking and marking was better, whereas Franklin has him over athleticism/aerobic capacity.Yes, and even before Buddy joined the Swans I would have disagreed with you. Fevola was top 3 of this century, but he was in no way better than Buddy.
I'm a pretty hard person to surprise.Plenty of times during his prime - but I suspect a poll of BigFooty on who was the more naturally gifted player out of the two might surprise you.
“Ton”?Only 5 blokes in AFL history have cracked the ton for a reason.