St Kilda Senators
Debutant
- Mar 28, 2021
- 105
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- AFL Club
- St Kilda
Late game. Boo.
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That's our big problem and even against teams who were not in top form in the Tigers and Pies, we couldn't kick a big score.The big concern for me going into the game is our forward line. We just need some guys to step up and kick goals. Hard to see how we kick a score to win this unless we keep them to around 60 points.
We need some of Butler, King, even Membrey to step up and really influence a game, kicking 3+
That's our big problem and even against teams who were not in top form in the Tigers and Pies, we couldn't kick a big score.
Just noticed we are on the bottom of the comp for marks taken inside 50 since Round 13- could explain lack of goals.Our two top goal scorers have kicked one more goal than Josh Bruce combined and 6 less than McKay. Our third highest who has been leading our goal kicking all year has just been injured and replaced with a mid. We are playing short down back as well. We are going to have to control the midfield to even get a chance at a win.
We looked unstoppable against Collingwood when Marshall/Ryder went forward and finally started clunking those marks.Just noticed we are on the bottom of the comp for marks taken inside 50 since Round 13- could explain lack of goals.
I think there's a few issues with the forwards:That's our big problem and even against teams who were not in top form in the Tigers and Pies, we couldn't kick a big score.
I think there's a few issues with the forwards:
1. King is still growing, I think it's really noticeable at the games that he's fairly skinny. He is being asked to be the main man and he doesn't have the body or experience yet to do that. I still think he will be scary in a couple of years and this experience will most likely help him. Hopefully with Marshall back playing full minutes he will get better. But the thought of Harris Andrews on him is a bit scary.
2. Butler's form has dropped considerably, most notably he isn't kicking goals. His pressure is good but he is missing easy shots, although generally getting opportunities. I think there's a feeling around that it will click eventually for him but it hasn't happened yet.
3. Membrey playing swingman role. He used to be good for the odd bag but I think it's hard for him to kick big bags when he is all over the ground (and doing it bloody well).
4. No one in reserve. No one in the 2s is beating the door down and kicking bags of goals. Fairly handy for Melbourne to have a bloke like Ben Brown running around in the 2s!
We have lost Higgins this week so we've gone from having Lonie/Butler/Higgins to just Butler. I guess Long will play a similar pressure role, and maybe Byrnes will go up there. Both might be good for a couple of goals but I don't see them kicking a bag.
At the end of the day our backline has been outstanding lately and we haven't had to kick big scores, but going forward we simply need to score more.
He’s one of the few in our team with a real core strength. Like he spent his youth throwing hay bales into utes and pulling calves out of their mothers bare handed.I still see Battle as a forward and would be interested in seeing him get a couple of full games at FF, as I just see Max get bumped out of position too easy at the moment- might be different with another year under his belt though.
I would have at least picked him the bench. Having said that, he really does need to play a good game or 2 next time he is selected in the 1's. Maybe they think he is not ready yet.He’s one of the few in our team with a real core strength. Like he spent his youth throwing hay bales into utes and pulling calves out of their mothers bare handed.
Getting Marshall back and slowly getting more game time will help our forward line and will take the heat off King.We looked unstoppable against Collingwood when Marshall/Ryder went forward and finally started clunking those marks.
Need more of it.
I would have at least picked him the bench. Having said that, he really does need to play a good game or 2 next time he is selected in the 1's. Maybe they think he is not ready yet.
Rk | Team | Gm | K | HB | D | M | G | GA | I50 | BH | T | HO | FF | FA | CL | CG | R50 | AF | SC | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 17 | 3653 | 2463 | 6116 | 1515 | 200 | 145 | 854 | 152 | 963 | 548 | 323 | 326 | 569 | 971 | 636 | 25505 | 27610 | ||
2 | 16 | 3522 | 2381 | 5903 | 1504 | 194 | 118 | 875 | 195 | 990 | 673 | 322 | 306 | 549 | 956 | 658 | 25198 | 27415 | ||
3 | Cats | 15 | 3375 | 2460 | 5835 | 1514 | 189 | 140 | 790 | 157 | 850 | 489 | 297 | 286 | 592 | 816 | 558 | 24184 | 26550 | |
4 | 15 | 3280 | 2487 | 5767 | 1386 | 211 | 155 | 838 | 204 | 869 | 421 | 299 | 246 | 594 | 744 | 512 | 23856 | 26236 | ||
5 | 15 | 3128 | 2536 | 5664 | 1381 | 158 | 107 | 716 | 137 | 890 | 510 | 280 | 292 | 498 | 833 | 641 | 23123 | 24340 | ||
6 | 15 | 3324 | 2277 | 5601 | 1549 | 150 | 105 | 711 | 151 | 842 | 594 | 274 | 285 | 491 | 886 | 601 | 23572 | 24103 | ||
7 | 15 | 3331 | 2242 | 5573 | 1331 | 192 | 141 | 822 | 159 | 972 | 497 | 294 | 307 | 548 | 853 | 608 | 23506 | 25709 | ||
8 | 15 | 3200 | 2363 | 5563 | 1389 | 195 | 134 | 797 | 155 | 926 | 419 | 270 | 278 | 503 | 859 | 580 | 23348 | 24626 | ||
9 | 15 | 3335 | 2194 | 5529 | 1420 | 177 | 123 | 758 | 152 | 874 | 446 | 299 | 274 | 554 | 869 | 615 | 23253 | 25037 | ||
10 | 15 | 3388 | 2120 | 5508 | 1453 | 148 | 94 | 769 | 162 | 944 | 566 | 269 | 293 | 545 | 903 | 593 | 23521 | 24261 | ||
11 | 16 | 3132 | 2267 | 5399 | 1389 | 159 | 120 | 798 | 190 | 747 | 542 | 270 | 283 | 541 | 845 | 556 | 22164 | 24128 | ||
12 | 15 | 3109 | 2269 | 5378 | 1354 | 177 | 128 | 776 | 157 | 859 | 435 | 253 | 321 | 457 | 921 | 569 | 22282 | 24216 | ||
13 | 15 | 3434 | 1936 | 5370 | 1650 | 184 | 124 | 717 | 137 | 716 | 597 | 262 | 254 | 520 | 795 | 552 | 23296 | 24120 | ||
14 | Suns | 15 | 3457 | 1905 | 5362 | 1622 | 145 | 96 | 755 | 160 | 947 | 363 | 272 | 287 | 515 | 845 | 628 | 23606 | 24188 | |
15 | 15 | 3195 | 2145 | 5340 | 1470 | 137 | 104 | 740 | 147 | 820 | 581 | 312 | 292 | 504 | 907 | 595 | 22519 | 23199 | ||
16 | 15 | 3351 | 1931 | 5282 | 1433 | 179 | 128 | 783 | 171 | 793 | 532 | 318 | 297 | 523 | 853 | 608 | 22565 | 24296 | ||
17 | 15 | 3444 | 1811 | 5255 | 1434 | 204 | 136 | 852 | 173 | 874 | 449 | 309 | 319 | 580 | 870 | 585 | 22915 | 25526 | ||
18 | 15 | 3042 | 2167 | 5209 | 1121 | 167 | 116 | 780 | 167 | 851 | 508 | 325 | 299 | 529 | 855 | 605 | 21307 | 23256 |
Below stats courtesy of footywire .com this list is in disposal order
Stats usually just reflect the ladder position so Lions being ahead in most is not unusual
Disposals Lions 17th to Saints 10th. This a little unusual for a top 4 team. Note who is ranked 1 to 4
Tackles Saints 5th to Lions 8th
Total clearances Lions 3rd to Saints 8th
Centre clearances Lions 5th to Saints 16th
Contested marks Lions 4th to Saints 14th
Intercepts Lions 3rd to Saints 13th
Rk Team Gm K HB D M G GA I50 BH T HO FF FA CL CG R50 AF SC 1 17 3653 2463 6116 1515 200 145 854 152 963 548 323 326 569 971 636 25505 27610 2 16 3522 2381 5903 1504 194 118 875 195 990 673 322 306 549 956 658 25198 27415 3 Cats 15 3375 2460 5835 1514 189 140 790 157 850 489 297 286 592 816 558 24184 26550 4 15 3280 2487 5767 1386 211 155 838 204 869 421 299 246 594 744 512 23856 26236 5 15 3128 2536 5664 1381 158 107 716 137 890 510 280 292 498 833 641 23123 24340 6 15 3324 2277 5601 1549 150 105 711 151 842 594 274 285 491 886 601 23572 24103 7 15 3331 2242 5573 1331 192 141 822 159 972 497 294 307 548 853 608 23506 25709 8 15 3200 2363 5563 1389 195 134 797 155 926 419 270 278 503 859 580 23348 24626 9 15 3335 2194 5529 1420 177 123 758 152 874 446 299 274 554 869 615 23253 25037 10 15 3388 2120 5508 1453 148 94 769 162 944 566 269 293 545 903 593 23521 24261 11 16 3132 2267 5399 1389 159 120 798 190 747 542 270 283 541 845 556 22164 24128 12 15 3109 2269 5378 1354 177 128 776 157 859 435 253 321 457 921 569 22282 24216 13 15 3434 1936 5370 1650 184 124 717 137 716 597 262 254 520 795 552 23296 24120 14 Suns 15 3457 1905 5362 1622 145 96 755 160 947 363 272 287 515 845 628 23606 24188 15 15 3195 2145 5340 1470 137 104 740 147 820 581 312 292 504 907 595 22519 23199 16 15 3351 1931 5282 1433 179 128 783 171 793 532 318 297 523 853 608 22565 24296 17 15 3444 1811 5255 1434 204 136 852 173 874 449 309 319 580 870 585 22915 25526 18 15 3042 2167 5209 1121 167 116 780 167 851 508 325 299 529 855 605 21307 23256
Not sure why it’s doing your head in. Battle is only averaging 12 posies a game. Who goes out for him and what position does he play? Doesn’t fit in the forward line with Roma, Max and Members. While Highmore is in he doesn’t fit in the backline and Connelly looks a better disposal of the ball.Battle out again does my head in. The way ratten is managing him is atrocious.
It's like watching a slow train wreck.
Really frustrating.
Not sure why it’s doing your head in. Battle is only averaging 12 posies a game. Who goes out for him and what position does he play? Doesn’t fit in the forward line with Roma, Max and Members. While Highmore is in he doesn’t fit in the backline and Connelly looks a better disposal of the ball.
Not correct, if you cant get a kick you dont get equal minutes. Maybe one of our stats gurus can come up with some figures from the last couple of games.It makes no difference if they are picked on the bench or put in a position on the field.
They all play similar minutes.
Yeah I’m not sure Battle is the difference between us beating or losing to Lions. However his one good game came at a time when we seem to have made a shift in game style. Might be that he is just not part of team balance unless we drop someone that is achieving what we are looking for.The puzzling thing is that Battle was dropped after playing his best game of the season with 21 disposals and 8 marks. I could understand him being dropped prior to that game as his form had been very average but it just seemed strange to drop him after he had finally had a big impact on a game.
I guess we just have to back the selectors in with their call of leaving Battle out and if we beat Brisbane then that decision will be justified but if we lose then people will have the right to question the wisdom of it.
Not correct, if you cant get a kick you dont get equal minutes. Maybe one of our stats gurus can come up with some figures from the last couple of games.
Yeah I’m not sure Battle is the difference between us beating or losing to Lions. However his one good game came at a time when we seem to have made a shift in game style. Might be that he is just not part of team balance unless we drop someone that is achieving what we are looking for.
Anyways let’s hope he gets some better form in the 2s if he isn’t med sub.
Not sure why it’s doing your head in. Battle is only averaging 12 posies a game. Who goes out for him and what position does he play? Doesn’t fit in the forward line with Roma, Max and Members. While Highmore is in he doesn’t fit in the backline and Connelly looks a better disposal of the ball.
he's just not much of a playerBecause he's a forward being played out of position... then dropped. We'll screw this up then he'll go to another club and show his potential in his natural position. The apologists here will then bring out a raft of excuses as to why we didn't give him a decent run as forward.
he's just not much of a player