- Sep 22, 2008
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All I ask is that we give Sweet/English combo 4 weeks, if we scrap it after 1 week without giving it a chance I’ll be *ing pissed.
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Why? It'll be fairly obvious if it will work or not this week. West Coast are terrible if Sweet isn't taking marks getting the ball and kicking goals against the worst team in the comp its pretty much safe to say he won't when we play the top end teamsAll I ask is that we give Sweet/English combo 4 weeks, if we scrap it after 1 week without giving it a chance I’ll be f*n pissed.
With the soft tissue injuries to Keathy and Oby, I'd like to see Timmy/Sweety rotated down back.Interesting to see how Beveridge will utilise the two rucks. Like the start of last year, letting One do the centre square then letting English do his thing around the ground..Or one forward one rucking around the ground..Be an interesting game of new tactics for Bev.
Can people seriously still not comprehend the concept of role players? Every team in the league has flawed players playing important roles and Mccomb is a long way off being the worst of them.
Sidenote, Anthony Scott isn't even in this category, he's a legitimately solid AFL footballer. Almost every team in the league would find a role for him.
Our fanbase clearly has a hatred of recruiting mature VFL players, which is understandable considering some of our previous busts, but it seriously clouds their judgement on players like this.
Can people seriously still not comprehend the concept of role players? Every team in the league has flawed players playing important roles and Mccomb is a long way off being the worst of them.
Sidenote, Anthony Scott isn't even in this category, he's a legitimately solid AFL footballer. Almost every team in the league would find a role for him.
Our fanbase clearly has a hatred of recruiting mature VFL players, which is understandable considering some of our previous busts, but it seriously clouds their judgement on players like this.
Role players are able to stand up in big games something Scott hasn’t shown so far due to his inability to handle physical pressure.
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Suggest you watch the game from Saturday again McComb had 7 score involvements and was very clean in possessionAh the old role player argument.
Role players are limited but reliable. Duryea is a role player, Biggs was a role player, Roarke is a role player.
Scott and McComb are definitely limited but far from reliable. They are the types you play when you have lots of injuries.
Scott can't tackle, wilts under body pressure and barely gets the ball. But he sure runs a lot.
McComb can't execute under barely any pressure, handles the ball like it's smothered in butter and destroys forward chains, and barely tackles to boot.
We can do better.
I agree he's been down from last year IM I think our teams general performance hasn't helped our defenders with how easy the ball comes in at times? Also we've had some new faces in the back half and with Keath missing so many games and no Woody this year I feel Doc's been a little lost and trying to do too much at times? Bailey Williams has struggled back there for the same reason... That said Doc is still our best one on one defender IMO and will get back to his beast soon enough. I agree with your comments around CD, he might be better playing eleswhere for a bit to get back his mojoDon't expect many to. Think his biggest strength has been his ability to win one on ones and his reading of the play. Neither have been great this year to my eye. Hopefully he's just working through some form issues and not slowing down with age.
And when we lose, Bevo will say “See? Told ya it wouldn’t work!”Two Ruckman and three tall backman in the same line up.
Never thought I'd see it.
Lmao yep cos that’s how it works, if a completely different structure doesn’t work and a 5 game player doesn’t play well in one game it’ll never work.Why? It'll be fairly obvious if it will work or not this week. West Coast are terrible if Sweet isn't taking marks getting the ball and kicking goals against the worst team in the comp its pretty much safe to say he won't when we play the top end teams
Look at the output of the 2nd rucks in the better teams. Jackson is getting 15 touches 10 hitouts 5 score involvements and a shot at goal a week. English is our best ruckman so comands the 80% ruckload he takes there is no point having Sweet who doesn't mark or get the pill play for 20% of the time for "Hitouts" only when we have won the clearances 4/5 times with English as the sole ruck. 2 rucks is fine if your backup ruckman impacts around the ground otherwise you have a tall immobile liability.Lmao yep cos that’s how it works, if a completely different structure doesn’t work and a 5 game player doesn’t play well in one game it’ll never work.
I think maybe you need to adjust your expectations, Sweet is not going to take marks and kick goals against any side in the comp what’s your point? That’s not what he’s in the side for, just like Cordy who you’re so happy with who also doesn’t take marks and kick goals.
Compare him to what Cordy is doing as a backup ruck, not Jackson. And thats definitely not taking marks or getting the pill while getting dominated in the ruckLook at the output of the 2nd rucks in the better teams. Jackson is getting 15 touches 10 hitouts 5 score involvements and a shot at goal a week. English is our best ruckman so comands the 80% ruckload he takes there is no point having Sweet who doesn't mark or get the pill play for 20% of the time for "Hitouts" only when we have won the clearances 4/5 times with English as the sole ruck. 2 rucks is fine if your backup ruckman impacts around the ground otherwise you have a tall immobile liability.
The whole role player argument...
Yes we have role players. But obviously we don't deliberately pick limited players in those roles. Like think about it, we don't go and look for someone who cannot kick, but works hard and runs in the right spots. We look for someone who works hard and runs in the right spots. I think mine, and a lot of other peoples gripes about this, is, you can always do better. I am sure we can find someone who works just as hard as McComb, AND is a reliable and polished kick. We can always do better and shouldn't simply settle for limited players.
Yep he played okay last week. Doesn't really change my overall point.Suggest you watch the game from Saturday again McComb had 7 score involvements and was very clean in possession
Agree TD. And very well put.I agree he's been down from last year IM I think our teams general performance hasn't helped our defenders with how easy the ball comes in at times? Also we've had some new faces in the back half and with Keath missing so many games and no Woody this year I feel Doc's been a little lost and trying to do too much at times? Bailey Williams has struggled back there for the same reason... That said Doc is still our best one on one defender IMO and will get back to his beast soon enough. I agree with your comments around CD, he might be better playing eleswhere for a bit to get back his mojo
Obviously, there is a salary cap and no one can have a list of guns as you say. What myself and a lot of people are saying, is McComb, Roarke and a few others are limited, as is everyone, but surely we can find others less limited on our list, or give the opportunity to someone who has a bit more upside. There has to be someone on the list not getting a game who has better skills and can still do the required role effectively.Every club settles for limited players, they have no choice. No club has 22 guns running round for the duration of their entire existence.
Some clubs are lucky to have strong lists/best 22’s for extended periods. Geelong from 07, Hawks from 08. But even some of those teams had players their coaches would’ve preferred to leave out over another player but couldn’t because that’s all they had.
It’s a silly argument to make because we’ll always have these types on our list and they’ll always get games at some stage of our supporting life. To get upset they are on the list and or getting games instead of players that don’t exist is a pointless exercise.
Cordy has flexibility he can play forward and back and chop out in the ruck. Sweet is a CBA ruck and that's it and he isn't a very good one at that. He got dominated in the ruck himself last week. If we have an injury hit game like we did against Port you can throw the magnets around more with Cordy then Sweet hence why you need a 2nd ruckman who can do more then just tap workCompare him to what Cordy is doing as a backup ruck, not Jackson. And thats definitely not taking marks or getting the pill while getting dominated in the ruck
Are we rebuilding or trying to win games? McComb is a better player right now then what we have playing in the VFL. He was the standout in the team when playing down there which doesn't say much about the current level of output for those with more upsideObviously, there is a salary cap and no one can have a list of guns as you say. What myself and a lot of people are saying, is McComb, Roarke and a few others are limited, as is everyone, but surely we can find others less limited on our list, or give the opportunity to someone who has a bit more upside. There has to be someone on the list not getting a game who has better skills and can still do the required role effectively.
Obviously, there is a salary cap and no one can have a list of guns as you say. What myself and a lot of people are saying, is McComb, Roarke and a few others are limited, as is everyone, but surely we can find others less limited on our list, or give the opportunity to someone who has a bit more upside. There has to be someone on the list not getting a game who has better skills and can still do the required role effectively.
Dominated in the ruck? LolCordy has flexibility he can play forward and back and chop out in the ruck. Sweet is a CBA ruck and that's it and he isn't a very good one at that. He got dominated in the ruck himself last week. If we have an injury hit game like we did against Port you can throw the magnets around more with Cordy then Sweet hence why you need a 2nd ruckman who can do more then just tap work
Did you miss the game where Witts was Gold Coast's best player by a mile and kept them in it?Dominated in the ruck? Lol
I don’t recall Sweet being dominated when he actually was rucking. It was when he was tired and was either benched or resting that it became an issue.Did you miss the game where Witts was Gold Coast's best player by a mile and kept them in it?
Did you miss the game where Witts was Gold Coast's best player by a mile and kept them in it?