Banter Adelaide Board's Combined Politics/Covid discussion Banter Thread (WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)

[Kane McGoodwin]

We’ve had it for 40 years, and rarely used it until recently. Had a brain bleed once years ago but was admitted as a public patient and didn’t have to pay a cent. It’s great to know that everyone can get emergency treatment when necessary.

Peace of mind no doubt.

But if you didn't have private health insurance & need urgent treatment, you can still go private but pay it all.

I would have been better off self-insuring, but peace of mind is a good thing.

 

[1970crow]

Peace of mind no doubt.

But if you didn't have private health insurance & need urgent treatment, you can still go private but pay it all.

I would have been better off self-insuring, but peace of mind is a good thing.

On your income I expect you'd have been paying the surcharge though.

 

[Crow till I die]

Cancer is a weird one because every now and again it’s reported that something like coffee increases your risk. And then 6 months later it’s reversed and coffee reduces your chances.

And its not just cancer that suffers from that either

 

[Dirty Bird]

I thought that just got approved.

Wasn't that a point of debate at an election (2018 I think) and been swept under the rug since then to barely be talked about?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

On your income I expect you'd have been paying the surcharge though.

Yes, I considered self insuring when I was younger, but the surcharge ended that idea. Also, partner who wanted the safety of private cover.

 

[Crow till I die]

As a consequence of the minister’s visa cancellation, Djokovic will now automatically be banned from applying for a visa to enter Australia for three years, meaning he is set to miss at least the next two Australian Opens and potentially also the 2025 edition.

The Immigration Minister’s hefty powers, however, include the ability to waive that ban in the national interest.

Would not be surprised if Australia loses the open and it gets rebadged and shifted to an asian country for example

The powers to be wont like repeated tournaments excluding the worlds best player

 

[Slippery Pete]

So expert Immigration lawyer and visa specialist David Prince was 100% correct regards NoVax's chances of winning his 2nd appeal and most of the media commentators and social media eggspurts have proven to be clueless.

Sends a big message to anti-vaxxers and their supporters in our society...it's still your choice but be prepared wear the consequences that go with it..

C’mon mate, this is a bit disingenuous. I can‘t remember anybody disputing the minister had these broad powers.. the claim was that he ran down the clock with the decision. You claiming the timing was a coincidence was laughable.

Just to be unequivocally clear: it’s confirmed that Novak didn’t break any rules & there were no determined issues with his paperwork or his exemption, which was valid. There was no health advice for him to be deported. Hawke states this clearly.

He was deported for wrongthink. That’s it.

As someone who has been a vocal critic of left-wing authoritarianism on here, it surprises me to see you cheering on this decision. Perhaps have a look at the set of likes you received on that post.

Also, if you want to see what lawyers are saying about the deportation, here’s an insight:

 

[Mutineer]

Would not be surprised if Australia loses the open and it gets rebadged and shifted to an asian country for example

The powers to be wont like repeated tournaments excluding the worlds best player

No chance whatsoever...

 

[Mutineer]

C’mon mate, this is a bit disingenuous. I can‘t remember anybody disputing the minister had these broad powers.. the claim was that he ran down the clock with the decision. You claiming the timing was a coincidence was laughable.

Just to be unequivocally clear: it’s confirmed that Novak didn’t break any rules & there were no determined issues with his paperwork or his exemption, which was valid. There was no health advice for him to be deported. Hawke states this clearly.

He was deported for wrongthink. That’s it.

As someone who has been a vocal critic of left-wing authoritarianism on here, it surprises me to see you cheering on this decision. Perhaps have a look at the set of likes you received on that post.

Also, if you want to see what lawyers are saying about the deportation, here’s an insight:

Nope, NoVax knew the rules, he tried to circumvent them and failed...Stiff s**t. He had the choice.

Maybe go and watch the David Prince's interview with Caleb Bond before you run with that story re the timing.

Edit : Look at what the punters had to say in the comments on that tweet....

 

[Slippery Pete]

Nope, NoVax knew the rules, he tried to circumvent them and failed...Stiff sh*t. He had the choice.

Yeah, see this argument falls apart when you realize there were other players and officials on an exemption already in the country before Novak, participating in tennis.

The decision to deport him was political. History will show it to be political, and you are doing yourself a disservice by defending the Morrison Government’s handling of this.

 

[Geoffa32]

Nope, NoVax knew the rules, he tried to circumvent them and failed...Stiff sh*t. He had the choice.

Maybe go and watch the David Prince's interview with Caleb Bond before you run with that story re the timing.

Edit : Look at what the punters had to say in the comments on that tweet....

I think he should be deported. Yes he broke the law.

However, the reason he was deported is so ambiguous I don't understand how the judges agree with Hawke's discretionary powers.


If the legal test was false documentation upon entry, and yes the ability to prove he never had COVID, and jydgement to deport based on that, a proper result.


But deportation based on not wanting to be vaccinated, and a supposed belief Novak will cause instability, is this a slippery slope?

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[Mutineer]

Yeah, see this argument falls apart when you realize there were other players and officials on an exemption already in the country before Novak, participating in tennis.

The decision to deport him was political. History will show it to be political, and you are doing yourself a disservice by defending the Morrison Government’s handling of this.

The Government/Border Force Operatives handling of it was poor but it's the right decision in the end

 

[Mutineer]

I think he should be deported. Yes he broke the law.

However, the reason he was deported is so ambiguous I don't understand how the judges agree with Hawke's discretionary powers.


If the legal test was false documentation upon entry, and yes the ability to prove he never had COVID, and jydgement to deport based on that, a proper result.


But deportation based on not wanting to be vaccinated, is this a slippery slope?

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It's also been questioned whether NoVax actually had Covid prior as he stated and even if he had the timeline is also being questioned.

 

[Geoffa32]

It's also been questioned whether NoVax actually had Covid prior as he stated and even if he had the timeline is also being questioned.

True.

But that was not the grounds of his deportation.


I don't believe he had COVID at all.

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[1970crow]

Wonder if we’ll see this deployed elsewhere. NT certainly has a bit of a unique risk profile with lots of community people choosing to remain unvaccinated. But doubt they’d adhere to the rules.

Alice Springs to enter lockout, as number of people in NT hospitals with COVID grows

The Northern Territory has recorded another 327 cases of COVID-19. There's now 44 people in hospital with the virus, an increase from 32 on Saturday.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Cap]

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I mean was anyone thinking that they would make the news anything else than positive

 

[kirky]

Who cares....

Well George Christensen a CoalitionMP plus Matt “coal loving” Canavan.

But hey, they are government members so who cares.

You are so blatantly bias. It is actually sad!

 

[kirky]

C’mon mate, this is a bit disingenuous. I can‘t remember anybody disputing the minister had these broad powers.. the claim was that he ran down the clock with the decision. You claiming the timing was a coincidence was laughable.

Just to be unequivocally clear: it’s confirmed that Novak didn’t break any rules & there were no determined issues with his paperwork or his exemption, which was valid. There was no health advice for him to be deported. Hawke states this clearly.

He was deported for wrongthink. That’s it.

As someone who has been a vocal critic of left-wing authoritarianism on here, it surprises me to see you cheering on this decision. Perhaps have a look at the set of likes you received on that post.

Also, if you want to see what lawyers are saying about the deportation, here’s an insight:

Will be interesting to hear the judges reasons for the decision. It probably won’t reflect well on the Minister, given the powers under the Act, are so broad.

And don’t worry Mutineer is just a cheerleader for everything Coalition, no matter how bad. 2022 may be a bad year for him both federally and state.

 

[kirky]

Got to love the Aussie larakin - this Vic Coalition MP got even the dog offside.

International reputation sullied? Think we know who has done that and it ain’t who he thinks it is. What a goose.

 

[kirky]

And just to keep GK happy - how good is it to be 600 years old! Methuselah will start to get worried.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wonder if we’ll see this deployed elsewhere. NT certainly has a bit of a unique risk profile with lots of community people choosing to remain unvaccinated. But doubt they’d adhere to the rules.

Alice Springs to enter lockout, as number of people in NT hospitals with COVID grows

The Northern Territory has recorded another 327 cases of COVID-19. There's now 44 people in hospital with the virus, an increase from 32 on Saturday.

www.abc.net.au

Think other states will more likely go down the route of increasing restrictions rather than the lockdown route if they feel hospitalisations are out of control... as trying to avoid lockdowns... particularly SA heading into an election.

As you know, Alice Springs has it's unique issues. You would think getting the kids vaxxed in the communities would be important to slowing spread.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Just on the UAP - I think one of their messages is good - Nuclear Power. Much better for the environment than what we're using.

Too bad the rest of their crap makes Donald Trump look left wing.

Nuclear power would be good.. pity we didnt do it 20-30 years ago.

Now its just too expensive to get up and running.. and by the time we went through the entire process of designing, approving and constructing a NP plant and the arguement of where to put the bloody thing… it would be another 10 years from now before its actually turned on.

By that time renewable technologies will have advanced another 10 years and renewables will be more available, 10 times more efficient than they are now and probably 10 times cheaper.

Theres a reason no one in private industry wants to fund Nuclear power.. if there was good, secure, longterm money in it they wouldve done so by now. But theres not.. its far too risky a propositon.

Anyone here want to invest their money in something extremely expensive compared to its competition and, once its finally up and running, probably rendered obsolete by new/improved technology?

No thanks.

 

[kirky]

Nuclear power would be good.. pity we didnt do it 20-30 years ago.

Now its just too expensive to get up and running.. and by the time we went through the entire process of designing, approving and constructing a NP plant and the arguement of where to put the bloody thing… it would be another 10 years from now before its actually turned on.

By that time renewable technologies will have advanced another 10 years and renewables will be more available, 10 times more efficient than they are now and probably 10 times cheaper.

Theres a reason no one in private industry wants to fund Nuclear power.. if there was good, secure, longterm money in it they wouldve done so by now. But theres not.. its far too risky a propositon.

Anyone here want to invest their money in something extremely expensive compared to its competition and, once its finally up and running, probably rendered obsolete by new/improved technology?

No thanks.

Seems like a good idea for the Coalition shonks to give some tax payers money to its donors to set one up.

Absolutely amazed they haven’t thought of doing so. I mean its only tax payers money after all, what do they care. They haven’t so far since they came to power in 2013.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Seems like a good idea for the Coalition shonks to give some tax payers money to its donors to set one up.

Absolutely amazed they haven’t thought of doing so. I mean its only tax payers money after all, what do they care. They haven’t so far since they came to power in 2013.

I’ll tell you why they havent..

Because they are a government run on focus groups. Nearly every decision they make is based on opinion polling and the results of running the issues past focus groups first.

They exist solely to cling to government and buy votes.

The result of which is terrible governing.

The focus groups and polling would have told them that the majority of Aussies think Nuclear Power is a fantasy. Then the focus groups wouldve told them that there would be an almighty big stink up over the decisions as to where any NP plant was to be located given that the great majority of the population are NIMBY’s..

could you imagine fighting an election on Nuclear power and where any plants were going to be located given that they need shitloads of water and thus would need to be located close to large supplies of water. All of which are close to our heavily populated centres!

The coalition party is a bunch of shivers desperately looking for a spine at the best of times.. having to advocate (and campaign on in an election) for Nuclear Power would *in terrify them.

Best to just keep giving out tax cuts and pork barrelling the * out of the electorate… easier and guarantees more votes.

 

[Geoffa32]

Seems like a good idea for the Coalition shonks to give some tax payers money to its donors to set one up.

Absolutely amazed they haven’t thought of doing so. I mean its only tax payers money after all, what do they care. They haven’t so far since they came to power in 2013.

Its a pity the ALP didn't consider nuclear power in the 1990s and earlier when they had a decent run of power and it was still viable to build these plants.

If they had coal would be a distant memory, Clive Palmer would be more irrelevant and Australia would be leading the world in climate change targets.


Neither party, or its pom pom girls, can claim victory in this space.

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