Society/Culture Can we please stop equating the risk posed by left wing extremists with that of right wing extremists?

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In the US, far left anti-authority groups influenced by anarchist ideology pose the most threat of violent extremism. Ideologically motivated lone offenders from the far right and Islamism pose the next most likely terrorist threat.
Rubbish. Lone offenders? Did you not see the insurrection?

Are you trolling or dense?
 

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Rubbish. Lone offenders? Did you not see the insurrection?

Are you trolling or dense?
You don't care about the months of rioting and dozens of deaths committed prior, including attacks on federal buildings? I guess whatever the media use as headlines = the priority for most!
 

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In the US, far left anti-authority groups influenced by anarchist ideology pose the most threat of violent extremism.
No, they dont.

Based on the data, this analysis has several findings, which are discussed at greater length later in this assessment. First, white supremacists and other like-minded extremists conducted 67 percent of terrorist plots and attacks in the United States in 2020. They used vehicles, explosives, and firearms as their predominant weapons and targeted demonstrators and other individuals because of their racial, ethnic, religious, or political makeup—such as African Americans, immigrants, Muslims, and Jews. Second, there was a rise in the number of anarchist, anti-fascist, and other like-minded attacks and plots in 2020 compared to previous years, which comprised 20 percent of terrorist incidents (an increase from 8 percent in 2019).
The War Comes Home: The Evolution of Domestic Terrorism in the United States | Center for Strategic and International Studies (csis.org)


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Some things to note from that report.

The number of fatalities from domestic terrorism in the US is very low. Five in total in the first eight months of 2020 One by an Antifa activist, one by a far-right extremist, one by an anti-feminist, and two by an adherent of the Boogaloo movement.

Far-left terrorism is a growing problem. There were four times as many far-left terrorist incidents in 2020 as in 2019. The number of far-right terrorist incidents stayed the same.

The amount of injuries and damage to property from each type of violent extremism is not shown. The far left hurt more people, and cause more damage and disruption than any other group.

The 2020 Homeland Threat Assessment stated

During the course of developing the HTA we began to see a new, alarming trend of exploitation of lawful protests causing violence, death, and destruction in American communities. This anti-government, anti-authority and anarchist violent extremism was identified by DHS in September 2019 when we published our Strategic Framework for Countering Terrorism and Targeted Violence. As the date of publication of this HTA, we have seen over 100 days of violence and destruction in our cities. The co-opting of lawful protests led to destruction of government property and have turned deadly.​
Indeed, DHS law enforcement officers suffered over 300 separate injuries and were assaulted with sledgehammers, commercial grade fireworks, rocks, metal pipes, improvised explosive devices, and more. This violence, perpetrated by anarchist extremists and detailed in numerous public statements that remain available on the DHS website, significantly threatens the Homeland by undermining officer and public safety—as well as our values and way of life. While the HTA touches on these issues, we are still in the nascent stages of understanding the threat this situation poses to Americans, the Homeland, and the American way of life.​
 

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Far-left terrorism is a growing problem. There were four times as many far-left terrorist incidents in 2020 as in 2019. The number of far-right terrorist incidents stayed the same.
When 'far left' terrorism was only accounting for single digit percentages, it can only go up cant it?

Meanwhile the 50 percent plus percent of terror attacks by right wingers has also been increasing, to now be the dominant threat in the USA (where it has been for much of the past two decades).

Tell you what; when far left terrorism catches up to you crazy Right wingers and your terrorism, you can start to equate the two then.

Until then, you're wrong and an apologist for Nazis. The first one can be forgiven due to ignorance or stupidity. The second one cant be forgiven.

The amount of injuries and damage to property from each type of violent extremism is not shown. The far left hurt more people, and cause more damage and disruption than any other group.
No, they dont.

Firstly your report claims that the damage was caused by 'anti-government, anti-authority and anarchist violent extremism' which is not exclusive to the 'Left' (Timothy McVeigh was anti-government, and the entire 3 percenter movement, tea party movement and similar 'patriot' groups and sovereign citizens - all of which are far right wing - are also anti-government).

Secondly, after you've pulled out the right wing anti-government people from your statistics, you'll need to show me how those numbers of violence are higher than the violence caused by the KKK, Neo-Nazis and other similar groups, and lone actors with far right wing (sexist, homophobic, racist) views much of which isnt even counted towards the total.

Basically take every single hate crime in the USA and lay that at the feet of your Right wing brothers, and then we can compare numbers.
 

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you crazy Right wingers and your terrorism

take every single hate crime in the USA and lay that at the feet of your Right wing brothers,
My terrorism? Hate crime by my right wing brothers?

This is the problem with the modern far left. They see every person who does not support their bullshit as a Nazi. It obscures the focus on real neo-Nazis, while turning a blind eye to growing far left violence. Or as you might put it, mass violence by your far left brothers. I remember you claiming that leftist protesters setting businesses on fire was not violence.

Firstly your report claims that the damage was caused by 'anti-government, anti-authority and anarchist violent extremism' which is not exclusive to the 'Left' (Timothy McVeigh was anti-government, and the entire 3 percenter movement, tea party movement and similar 'patriot' groups and sovereign citizens - all of which are far right wing - are also anti-government).
Not exclusive to the left but mostly. The report was quite clear. The primary targets (58 percent) of the far left were police, government, and military personnel and institutions. Hence the 2020 Homeland Threat Assessment
During the course of developing the HTA we began to see a new, alarming trend of exploitation of lawful protests causing violence, death, and destruction in American communities. This anti-government, anti-authority and anarchist violent extremism was identified by DHS in September 2019 when we published our Strategic Framework for Countering Terrorism and Targeted Violence. As the date of publication of this HTA, we have seen over 100 days of violence and destruction in our cities. The co-opting of lawful protests led to destruction of government property and have turned deadly.​
Indeed, DHS law enforcement officers suffered over 300 separate injuries and were assaulted with sledgehammers, commercial grade fireworks, rocks, metal pipes, improvised explosive devices, and more. This violence, perpetrated by anarchist extremists and detailed in numerous public statements that remain available on the DHS website, significantly threatens the Homeland by undermining officer and public safety—as well as our values and way of life. While the HTA touches on these issues, we are still in the nascent stages of understanding the threat this situation poses to Americans, the Homeland, and the American way of life.​
 

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My terrorism? Hate crime by my right wing brothers?
Yeah. The Nazis and KKK members and extremists you've been not only reluctant to denounce in this thread (you havent even done so the once so far) but have actually been deflecting criticism of and actively defending on multiple occasions.

Those guys.

This is the problem with the modern far left. They see every person who does not support their bullshit as a Nazi.
Bullshit. And I never said you were a Nazi or a Neo Nazi either. I just said you were the kind of person who supports them (as you did several posts up when you asserted that the group of Neo-Nazis out in the bush, who were literally burning crosses and saluting Hitler, were 'just a bunch of blokes having a coffee').

I remember you claiming that leftist protesters setting businesses on fire was not violence.
I did nothing of the sort. I asked you to provide evidence the people burning business were 'leftists' and not just opportunistic rioters or looters. Something you couldn't do.

The report was quite clear. The primary targets (58 percent) of the far left
I suggest you learn to read. The two paragraphs of the report you've provided (twice now) does not mention the 'far left' or 'left' at all. Not once.

You keep claiming it does, but it doesnt.

As I pointed out to you last time, the culprits are named as 'anti-government, anti-authority and anarchist violent extremis[ts]', which describes far right extremists like Timothy McVeigh, sovereign citizens, Qanon nutters, Tea Party Libertarians, 3 percenters and militia groups.

Are you claiming Timothy McVeigh was left wing now, along with Salaffi Jihadists?

Next thing you know, you'll go full medusala and start calling Nazis 'leftists'.


 

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You're a Neo Nazi apologist who refuses to condemn far right wing terrorism and extremism, and instead deflects elsewhere, even when asked to condemn them.

You've literally done this in this very thread (deflect and equate, and refuse to condemn). A thread which is ironically directed at calling out people just like you, who do just that.

Meanwhile:

Last year, ASIO revealed a dramatic rise in the number of violent right-wing extremists under surveillance, while warning some groups were now employing Islamic State-style radicalisation tactics.

The domestic spy agency told Parliament's Joint Intelligence and Security Committee that far-right movements were also taking advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic to bolster recruitment.

ASIO deputy director-general Heather Cook said up to 40 per cent of the agency's counterterrorism efforts were now focused on thwarting violent plots by right-wing groups or individuals.
Labor pushes for far-right extremists Proud Boys to be declared terrorists - ABC News

I presume most of the remaining 60 percent is directed at Salaffi Jihadists. RWNJ's will overtake them soon here I reckon.
 

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You're a Neo Nazi apologist who refuses to condemn far right wing terrorism and extremism, and instead deflects elsewhere, even when asked to condemn them.

You've literally done this in this very thread (deflect and equate, and refuse to condemn). A thread which is ironically directed at calling out people just like you, who do just that.
Despite your offensive slurs I have never supported or apologised for any extremist or terrorist group. Unlike yourself, who voted for One Nation and defended the rioters in US cities setting dozens of properties on fire as "not violence". You have also claimed that Al Qaeda and Islamist extremists have legitimate grievances against the West - with the implication that it justifies terrorism.

My consistent position has been that Islamist groups have been and still represent the biggest global terror threat, particularly in Europe. It makes no sense to conflate Sunni extremists and white supremacists as they have completely different ideologies and motivations. I'm not surprised you have done this as it is your standard MO to conflate anything right of centre with the far right. And now you have taken it the next level with weasel words such as "you crazy Right wingers and your terrorism" and "take every single hate crime in the USA and lay that at the feet of your Right wing brothers".

Go back to the start of the thread. I quoted ASIO and you accused me of being a Nazi cheer leader.

When it comes to US you are getting your panties in a bunch about domestic terrorism's 5 fatalities, only one of which was carried out by a far right extremist. Yet you are quite prepared to overlook the Homeland Threat Assessment that reported on the rising trend of exploitation by the far left of lawful protests - to cause violence, death, and destruction in American communities. In 2020 there were over 100 days of violence and destruction in US cities, targeted at government property and law enforcement officers. 300 separate injuries caused by assaults with sledgehammers, commercial grade fireworks, rocks, metal pipes, improvised explosive devices, and more.
 

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Meanwhile:

ASIO deputy director-general Heather Cook said up to 40 per cent of the agency's counterterrorism efforts were now focussed on thwarting violent plots by right-wing groups or individuals.

Labor pushes for far-right extremists Proud Boys to be declared terrorists - ABC News

I presume most of the remaining 60 percent is directed at Salaffi Jihadists. RWNJ's will overtake them soon here I reckon.
'up to'

Groups on Australia's terror watch list. Do you spot a common theme here?

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Al Qaeda in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Al Shabaab
Boko Haram
Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic State
Islamic State East Asia
Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Islamic State Khorasan Province
Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Islamic State Somalia
Islamic State West Africa Province
Jabhat Fatah al-Sham
Jaish-e-Mohammad
Jama'at Mujahideen Bangladesh
Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin
Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Al Qaeda (AQ)
 

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'up to'

Groups on Australia's terror watch list. Do you spot a common theme here?

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Al Qaeda in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Al Shabaab
Boko Haram
Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic State
Islamic State East Asia
Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Islamic State Khorasan Province
Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Islamic State Somalia
Islamic State West Africa Province
Jabhat Fatah al-Sham
Jaish-e-Mohammad
Jama'at Mujahideen Bangladesh
Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin
Jemaah Anshorut Daulah
Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Al Qaeda (AQ)
No right wing extremist groups, Dutton doesn't want to alienate supporters.
 

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Groups on Australia's terror watch list.
Thanks for making my point.

So you agree, 40 percent of ASIO's efforts are directed at Right wing extremists, and the remaining 60 percent is directed almost solely at Salaffi Jihadis.

Where do the leftists come in?

And the above being the case, why are you here trying to downplay Right wing extremism, and conflate it with Left wing extremism? The RWNJ's are nearly as much of a threat as ISIS and Al Queda!

You almost sound like you're defending a footy team you support.
 

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