Preview Changes: R6 2021 v Hawthorn in Tasmania

[CrowinNT]

“Come to me with solutions, not problems.”

It’s what I picture Sanders saying to his underlings

Exactly but I then learnt the hard way along came a Sanders and stole my ideas
Very hard to sit at board meeting with this cherry prick in control

 

[1970crow]

Roo had me shaking my head this morning on the radio.
They were talking footy and said Houston looked like he could be in doubt with a shoulder injury.
And straight away said if he was doubtful with an injury, he should rest and get it right before coming back into the team.
Obviously a different policy to what we normally see at the Crows

Houston is young, so it's consistent. As mentioned, Smith was dribbling yesterday that younger players need to put their hands up to not play if they're struggling physically. Roo definitely believes in kids missing ASAP and he applies that consistently. Senior players though, well they've got the right to attempt to play regardless of how injured they are. He's living proof.

 

[Vhaluus]

So Dogs made 3 unforced changes in addition to 2 forced changes despite being 5-0 and smashing their last opponent.

Just a really nice contrast to our stupid selection policy.

 

[hey shorty]

No Worrell or Thilthorpe in the SANFL side.... It Berg for that matter

 

[MRB37]

So Dogs made 3 unforced changes in addition to 2 forced changes despite being 5-0 and smashing their last opponent.

Just a really nice contrast to our stupid selection policy.

They have the depth to make unforced changes. We really don't.

 

[MRB37]

Would guess Jones will be emergency at worst for this game since we're heading to Tasmania.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yes... but you don't bring in kids who are struggling at SANFL level, and are miles off playing AFL, just for the sake of giving them experience. That does them more harm than good.

Players like Sholl, Schoenberg, Butts & Hamill - they're the ones we need to get to 50 games ASAP.

Yep, bring them in when they're in form and have built up match fitness. I'm sure we'll see a Pedlar debut very soon, but he needs a bit of time to build first. Cook will probably get a taste later in the year. Once they've got that taste and have shown signs - then you get them to 50 games

Add guys like McPherson and McHenry to that list. And yes, Vader, this means we need to give Fog a string of games, too

 

[1970crow]

So Dogs made 3 unforced changes in addition to 2 forced changes despite being 5-0 and smashing their last opponent.

Just a really nice contrast to our stupid selection policy.

Freo 4 unforced after a win before beating us away from home. Kristof stated as fact that winn8ng teams don't make unforced changes. I remember it bevause it was such a stupid post.

 

[1970crow]

They have the depth to make unforced changes. We really don't.

They have depth because they are prepared to get a look at it. We don't know if we have depth or not. Sholl debuted 4 rounds after Dmac returned last year and 1 round after Rat, Gibbs and Knight were given another crack. Had we not been destroyed by Roos in that game, how much longer would he have waited? You're suggesting we continue with the same mistakes as a solution to resolve our existing problem.

 

[GreyCrow]

How do you test depth if you are too scared to leave the shallow end?

 

[MRB37]

They have depth because they are prepared to get a look at it. We don't know if we have depth or not. Sholl debuted 4 rounds after Dmac returned last year and 1 round after Rat, Gibbs and Knight were given another crack. Had we not been destroyed by Roos in that game, how much longer would he have waited? You're suggesting we continue with the same mistakes as a solution to resolve our existing problem.

They have depth because they've been building a side for 5 years. We don't because we've started rebuilding and have cut all that depth we previously had. Do you think it's a good thing they brought in Jordon Sweet, let him debut, have him play well and then drop him after 1 career game? Lewis Young hasn't done a thing wrong and he gets dropped after 2 games. Lipinski plays well when selected but has now been dropped twice this year. Bevo makes changes for the sake of making changes, which is not something we should be doing with the majority of our players who are young and inexperienced.

The important thing with guys like Sholl, Hamill, Schoenberg etc, we gave them a shot abd we backed them in from there. That is the important thing we do with the players we select and I have no doubt it's what we'll do when we select Worrell, Pedlar and Thilthorpe.

 

[Scorpus]

Total number of Crows wins in Tasmania: 1

 

[Danger in Texas]

Total number of Crows wins in Tasmania: 1

 

[1970crow]

"Tom Lynch trained indoors". ****ing bullshit he did.

 

[BRL121]

They have depth because they've been building a side for 5 years. We don't because we've started rebuilding and have cut all that depth we previously had. Do you think it's a good thing they brought in Jordon Sweet, let him debut, have him play well and then drop him after 1 career game? Lewis Young hasn't done a thing wrong and he gets dropped after 2 games. Lipinski plays well when selected but has now been dropped twice this year. Bevo makes changes for the sake of making changes, which is not something we should be doing with the majority of our players who are young and inexperienced.

The important thing with guys like Sholl, Hamill, Schoenberg etc, we gave them a shot abd we backed them in from there. That is the important thing we do with the players we select and I have no doubt it's what we'll do when we select Worrell, Pedlar and Thilthorpe.

Footscray vs. GWS VFL(LOL) match on Foxtel now, for those interested. Jesse Hogan looks fat and unfit in the first quarter, No.1 draft pick has done nothing (and looks a bit entitled). GWS don't seem to have a ruckman.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thank you for taking the trouble to provide options. I wish our troll moderator would put the effort in that you have.

Option 1 - Worrell/Murray/McAsey
The problem here is that the team is already unbalanced, having previously replaced Sloane with Fogarty. It doesn't matter how much you shuffle the magnets, replacing a running player (Lynch) with a slow tall is just going to exacerbate the existing problem. I like the idea of playing Worrell or Murray, but not as a replacement (even indirectly) for Lynch.

Option 2 - Himmelberg
The problem with this is that it leaves our forward line massively top heavy, with Frampton/Walker/Berg/Fogarty (when he's not sucking the life out our midfield). I'm all for selecting Himmelberg this week, but as a straight swap for Frampton - not as an indirect replacement for Lynch.

Option 3 - Mackay
In reality, this is far & away our best option. OK, maybe not best - least worst. We swap one experienced running player for another. We don't screw up the midfield or forward line structures any worse than they already are. The melts, on the other hand, would be epic.

Yes, there are 5 or 6 players who could come in - but Mackay is the only one we can bring in who is ready to go, in reasonable form, and wouldn't completely screw up our team structure.

Hately is the most like for like with Lynch and can help bolster mid numbers as well as play a high forward role

it’s a no brainer that Himmelberg comes in for Frampton given he had a good game in Sanfl and Frampton .... well

the only 2 changes I’d make other than possibly resting Berry but you’d prob only do that If Chayce was doing more

I’d be happy to rest Berry for Newchurch though

the sub- probably Mackay but although people will say it’s a bad way to debut wouldn’t mind seeing Pedlar take the role given he’s likely not match fit for 4 quarters but might give him a taste for where he needs to get to if he gets on

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I see as much of Adelaide playing as Port so I've seen a bit. He rucked quite well in the game against Hawthorn at Adelaide Oval when O'Brien was spent. He doesn't get much of a run in the ruck and if you see the other post I just wrote I said that Frampton has more experience than Himmler as a ruck and because Walker is kicking goals that has hurt Himmler's prospects of a game.

Himmelberg is a better player all round including ruck than Frampton if he has his competitive fibres switched on which I think he might do after last week

 

[Damp Squarie]

They're called "fast food workers" nowadays. Not "underlings".

Unless in a Chinese Takeaway...then they’re called “dumplings”

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Yes it gets dark early down here this time of year ... but we have no issue with electricity, pure hydro for us my friend.

I for one am happy about the early game as the drive back to Hobart will be not too late, less wallabies to deal with

PS - got my tickets, glad I didn't hesitate when they opened up - only 159 tickets left!

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I'm in the Carlton draught stand. Is that undercover? I hear it gets wet there

 

[1970crow]

Hately is the most like for like with Lynch and can help bolster mid numbers as well as play a high forward role

it’s a no brainer that Himmelberg comes in for Frampton given he had a good game in Sanfl and Frampton .... well

the only 2 changes I’d make other than possibly resting Berry but you’d prob only do that If Chayce was doing more

I’d be happy to rest Berry for Newchurch though

the sub- probably Mackay but although people will say it’s a bad way to debut wouldn’t mind seeing Pedlar take the role given he’s likely not match fit for 4 quarters but might give him a taste for where he needs to get to if he gets on

He's not going to get match fit sitting on his arse all weekend. He's 2 SANFL games away from ticking off the match fit component of the selection jigsaw. Why don't we just stay that course. And playing Lynchbwho can't train is jump rank stupidity.

 

[MRB37]

Footscray vs. GWS VFL(LOL) match on Foxtel now, for those interested. Jesse Hogan looks fat and unfit in the first quarter, No.1 draft pick has done nothing (and looks a bit entitled). GWS don't seem to have a ruckman.

They got Briggs, but aren't using him as a sole ruckman I don't think. Then Flynn is back in the AFL side this week and I think Mummy is an emergency.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Exactly but I then learnt the hard way along came a Sanders and stole my ideas
Very hard to sit at board meeting with this cherry prick in control

Don't think that's something you should worry about.

 

[Bearded Clam]

its all well and good for those here to be squealing about Freo and the doggies making wholesale changes even after they have won.. but thats completely ignoring the fact that those teams have had guys in the seconds actually showing something and pushing for selection.

about the only lad we have had pushing for a spot is Worrell and he shouldve been given a run weeks ago when brown and kelly were both out.

Thilthorpe and himmelberg simply havent been good enough for a call up.

Hately hasnt exactly been lighting it up but looks likely to get a call up due to berry‘s misfortune

pedlar and cook have shown promise but clearly arent match fit and ready to run out a full game yet..

seriously, sure, you make changes to a winning side if you have blokes in the winning side not performing and blokes in your seconds deserving a call up.. you dont if the players in your seconds are dishing up dogshit or clearly not match fit.

the hysterics in here over himmelberg not getting his spot back from frampton have gone beyond ridiculous.. himmelberg had his first decent game last weekend... before that he was barely worthy of holding his spot in the sanfl side..

a few of the posters in here are pointing at the dogs and freo making changes and melting down over it like we have half a dozen players in the sanfl having blinders each week!.. if you'd actually watched the sanfl games you see that this is definately not the case.

 

[CrowBloke]

Leigh Matthews is the one that said players make the coach. Says it in interviews quite often. He also says coaches are overrated and given too much credit when they win and too much focus when they lose. Totally agree. Clarko had a team full of champions, same with the Lions. A good coach is the icing on the cake to take them to the top. In saying that a poor coach can cost you a flag. Thanks Pykey. Clarkson is currently finding out that when you have a sh*t cake it doesn't matter how good the coach is. Of course he knows that but he's getting the most out of a bad team.

How about Blighty? Came in with a big broom, dropped McGuiness and McDermott, got DJarman, played blokes all over the place, backed in kids like Goodwin and Kane Johnson; shook up the whole Club. When he was appointed my best mate (ex-Kiwi) asked me about him. I said he'd take us to a Flag in 2 years, at most 3. How wrong could I be?
I reckon you're a bit tough on Pyke re 2017 --- the team was in-fighting/fragmented (Leaver/McGovern), we lost Smith to an ACL, not much Pyke could do about that. In a pre-GF interview Pyke said that getting to the GF was not enough. The biggest challenge lay ahead (which Richmond embraced), he said, but I reckon our blokes were cooked by the excellent PF win over Geelong, unhappy within the ranks, and maybe a bit over-confident because of their 70+ points win over Richmond. I don't blame Pyke for that loss.
" ... a poor coach can cost you a Flag", yes, but I'm thinking Leon Cameron, given the talent he had.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ins: Worrell, Himmelberg, Hately
Out: Lynch (inj), Frampton, Berry (inj)

McAdam on notice.

B: Brown, Butts, Kelly
HB: Smith, Worrell, Doedee
C: Seedsman, Keays, Sholl
HF: McHenry, Fogarty, Murphy
F: Rowe, Walker, Himmelberg
R: O'Brien Schoenberg, Laird
I: McPherson, Hately, Hamill, McAdam