Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[Elite Crow]

One thing we will never know, despite the speculation, is whether with Gibbs we would have won the flag.
One thing we will know is the quality of the player at pick 13. If 13 turns out to be a Talia or Cripps, then Carlton will be be feeling the pain long after Gibbs has finished playing.

All Gibbs will achieve for Carlton is helping them win some more games that might keep them out of the bottom 4.

 

[harrisendblue]

One thing we will never know, despite the speculation, is whether with Gibbs we would have won the flag.
One thing we will know is the quality of the player at pick 13. If 13 turns out to be a Talia or Cripps, then Carlton will be be feeling the pain long after Gibbs has finished playing.

All Gibbs will achieve for Carlton is helping them win some more games that might keep them out of the bottom 4.

gibbs will have a greater role than that old sun, he will ease take the pressure from our younger mids. win/loss for us next year is irrelevant, its about getting experience/games into our kids and for that to work properly u need good experience which gibba will provide. using ur same logic what will u do if it becomes seb tape or a jesse lonegan cry yourselves to sleep each night. point is good courageous clubs go for it when they are approaching the window middle of road organizations relay on cliched tactics - gurusos never blinks

 

[harrisendblue]

And Wines is from country Victoria not Melbourne. There's no go home factor for him unless he wants to play for Echuca.

mad blues fan growing and family are all blue to the core. take this to the bank if port arnt contending in ollies ideal world he will back home in goods country victoria and in melbourne playing for his beloved blues.

 

[harrisendblue]

Wines would love to come to the Blues? He bought a house in Adelaide less than two months ago, which seems an awfully strange move for someone who wants to move to Melbourne.

good solid investment decision. means he pays no rent and he can either rent out/redevelop when he returns home.

 

[harrisendblue]

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As long as I can still catch the plane when the crows make the gf, because reid didn't sell the farm then all is well.

thats not one flag thats a 4 peat! very good but wont happen.

 

[Asgardian]

And the Justin Reid who had no trouble trading Lyons. Yes he made a trade.

It's not difficult to give away good or required players

 

[harrisendblue]

It's not difficult to give away good or required players

the same j reid who stuffed around so much he was lucky lyons wasnt picked up for nothing.

 

[Vikingblood]

mad blues fan growing and family are all blue to the core. take this to the bank if port arnt contending in ollies ideal world he will back home in goods country victoria and in melbourne playing for his beloved blues.

So why did he re-sign on a 3 year deal last year when Port failed to make finals?

 

[Bostonian]

Is there really any point in people still waffling on about this now? Move on...

 

[Asgardian]

the same j reid who stuffed around so much he was lucky lyons wasnt picked up for nothing.

Just about was

 

[Established1870]

mad blues fan growing and family are all blue to the core. take this to the bank if port arnt contending in ollies ideal world he will back home in goods country victoria and in melbourne playing for his beloved blues.

I'll get stopped at the front door if I took this s**t to the bank.

 

[Drewie11]

It's not difficult to give away good or required players

Chris Davies begs to differ. Where is Hamish playing this year? Didn't Port have 13 players up for trade? Yet no trades, does that mean no GOOD players were up for trade?

 

[Monkey King]

Chris Davies begs to differ. Where is Hamish playing this year? Didn't Port have 13 players up for trade? Yet no trades, does that mean no GOOD players were up for trade?

Being able to pawn off Lyons relatively cheaply isn't much of a sign that Ried is a good deal maker. For those claiming SOS is a nightmare to deal with, there's way too much contradicting info out there. He's simply just got too many trades over the line since arriving a Carlton for this to be anything more than sour grapes. And hell, this is so obvious you'd think those doing the accusing would be embarrassed.

 

[Asgardian]

Chris Davies begs to differ. Where is Hamish playing this year? Didn't Port have 13 players up for trade? Yet no trades, does that mean no GOOD players were up for trade?

Lyons was not encumbered with an existing contract.

Do posters here regularly ignore pertinent facts just to troll?

 

[Elite Crow]

Lyons was not encumbered with an existing contract.

Do posters here regularly ignore pertinent facts just to troll?

Are you saying the only players Port tried to get rid of were 13 contracted players?

 

[Elite Crow]

gibbs will have a greater role than that old sun, he will ease take the pressure from our younger mids. win/loss for us next year is irrelevant, its about getting experience/games into our kids and for that to work properly u need good experience which gibba will provide. using ur same logic what will u do if it becomes seb tape or a jesse lonegan cry yourselves to sleep each night. point is good courageous clubs go for it when they are approaching the window middle of road organizations relay on cliched tactics - gurusos never blinks

Given our recent history with first round picks, we'd have to be Carlton to screw 13 up.

What would Carlton have done in a similar situation? Are they a good courageous club?

And can you point out one club that has given up 2 first round picks for a 28 year old midfielder?

 

[pinot]

Given our recent history with first round picks, we'd have to be Carlton to screw 13 up.

What would Carlton have done in a similar situation? Are they a good courageous club?

And can you point out one club that has given up 2 first round picks for a 28 year old midfielder?

The but hurtness continues

 

[Elite Crow]

The but hurtness continues

And when I read posts like yours it tells me you are incapable of refuting any of my points and instead resort to not even clever one liners.

 

[harrisendblue]

Given our recent history with first round picks, we'd have to be Carlton to screw 13 up.

What would Carlton have done in a similar situation? Are they a good courageous club?

And can you point out one club that has given up 2 first round picks for a 28 year old midfielder?

as is said u now have reid in charge so dont assume ur history will help ensure a good result.

the blues have always gone for the flag when they thought the opportunity was there however u do that on the understanding that u will fail more times than not - we would have got the deal done and not tried to pressure us into caving in. our recent history from the early 00's clearly shows we haven't been courageous however that is changing - our decision to not cave with gibbs is an example of that.

gibbs was in a different category because of the years he had remaining on his contract so therefore the crows should have taken the opportunity to show courage and go against the norm and got him in - the funny thing is that if u blokes (reid/roo) had negotiated in good faith it would have got done for , in my opinion , a first and second.

a specific example doesn't come to mind and im not trawling through all the old trades however only his year deleidio (injury prone 32y0) went for a first and second. not much different to say 13 and another low first rounder or a pick 19/20 is it?

 

[harrisendblue]

So why did he re-sign on a 3 year deal last year when Port failed to make finals?

a number of reasons but clearly to see how far port would go. like i said if port arnt contending then he will want out and blues have a good starting hand.

 

[Elite Crow]

as is said u now have reid in charge so dont assume ur history will help ensure a good result.

the blues have always gone for the flag when they thought the opportunity was there however u do that on the understanding that u will fail more times than not - we would have got the deal done and not tried to pressure us into caving in. our recent history from the early 00's clearly shows we haven't been courageous however that is changing - our decision to not cave with gibbs is an example of that.

gibbs was in a different category because of the years he had remaining on his contract so therefore the crows should have taken the opportunity to show courage and go against the norm and got him in - the funny thing is that if u blokes (reid/roo) had negotiated in good faith it would have got done for , in my opinion , a first and second.

a specific example doesn't come to mind and im not trawling through all the old trades however only his year deleidio (injury prone 32y0) went for a first and second. not much different to say 13 and another low first rounder or a pick 19/20 is it?

Justin Reid isn't in charge of drafting, that's Ogilvie who has nailed our recent picks.

Blues have always shown courage when going for a flag? You mean like salary cap rorting?

Delidio went for a first and a future third and the speculation is GWS were generous because Richmond are paying a chunk of his contract, so you haven't come close to giving me an example of a 28 year old being worth 2 picks. The only club suggesting he was is Carlton and he isn't worth it hence no trade.

 

[Elite Crow]

a number of reasons but clearly to see how far port would go. like i said if port arnt contending then he will want out and blues have a good starting hand.

You honestly think that Wines would go to Carlton? You are deluded.

 

[harrisendblue]

You honestly think that Wines would go to Carlton? You are deluded.

no more delusional than thinking carlton would let go of gibbs for unders. wines will seriously come to the baggers remember these convos when/if it happens. not saying its guaranteed but its a real possibility and more than being delusional.

 

[harrisendblue]

Justin Reid isn't in charge of drafting, that's Ogilvie who has nailed our recent picks.

Blues have always shown courage when going for a flag? You mean like salary cap rorting?

Delidio went for a first and a future third and the speculation is GWS were generous because Richmond are paying a chunk of his contract, so you haven't come close to giving me an example of a 28 year old being worth 2 picks. The only club suggesting he was is Carlton and he isn't worth it hence no trade.

yes like salary cap rorting, or going out and bringing in multiple interstate kids who became legends, even in bringing in coaches - u gotta have a go and like i said its not guaranteed. could it be that u blokes are gun shy after ur own little bit of cheating with tippett. the thing is carlton have won multiple flags by being courageous its part of our dna.
dont know how the lines of control but surely reid as did noble have an important say.
not trying to say there has been a precedent because i cant remember the another case of a key player with three years remaining on his contract being in this situation and let go cheaply. the key point is when u make a play like u did u end looking foolish when it doesn't come off and do no other business.

 

[My name geoff]

Justin Reid isn't in charge of drafting, that's Ogilvie who has nailed our recent picks.

Blues have always shown courage when going for a flag? You mean like salary cap rorting?

Delidio went for a first and a future third and the speculation is GWS were generous because Richmond are paying a chunk of his contract, so you haven't come close to giving me an example of a 28 year old being worth 2 picks. The only club suggesting he was is Carlton and he isn't worth it hence no trade.