List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part II

[Keg still on legs]

If there's even the tiniest hint of truth in Dunkley wanting out we need to be all in. Him and Crouch into our mids and we are a legit flag threat



Plus Heeney of course but that's a formality

 

[triggering bro]

Nah stuff sticking up for the kid. His decision to pick a rabble over his childhood club for a few extra gorillas tells me he’s lower than shark s**t.

 

[Ducky Tie]

If Dunkley is actually a real chance to move and we missed because of Crouch, I'd be pretty annoyed. I'm happy with Crouch in isolation, but Dunkley would be a much better prospect with his age and without the durability concerns.

 

[flyingmagic]

What is frustrating is that it seems like we have been following him all year. Our name has been consistently linked with him and he looked like someone we had targeted from a fair way out only for Essendon swoop in at the last minute with a crazy deal.

Not saying we should have matched Essendon's offer, but it's still frustrating. Oh well, we move on.

 

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Yeah, if there was actually any legs in the Dunkley wanting out rumour - we know they've had their eye on Lonie, could package him up with picks/players and see if it's worth the ask haha.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

In addition to the extra coin, I think he knows he'll get games at the dopers, where with us he'd really have to earn his spot, especially as we just landed crouch. I'd still prefer caldwell to crouch but I'll put my faith in the devil.

 

[StCicatriz]

In addition to the extra coin, I think he knows he'll get games at the dopers, where with us he'd really have to earn his spot, especially as we just landed crouch. I'd still prefer caldwell to crouch but I'll put my faith in the devil.

tbh i think he's in the same predicament. wouldn't surprise if when he gets there he doesn't see much game time at all.

 

[Munga]

Is Narkle that good?

 

[Brad2Bradley]

On the flipside of not being nominated by Caldwell, I'm actually quite pleased that we didn't get sucked in to offering an unproven (albeit highly regarded) 20 y.o with a contract that is better than the majority of our list. Spending big for blokes like Hill, Crouch, Carlisle, Hannaz, Jones, Doogz etc is fair enough and understood by the playing group as they are known and experienced necessities. If we want to create a culture of blokes playing for team success (i.e. Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond etc) then I think we've potentially avoided a cohesion pot-hole in not having a Caldwell wanting to come to us. Good luck to him but better luck to us when trade season officially fires up!

 

[StCicatriz]

Nah stuff sticking up for the kid. His decision to pick a rabble over his childhood club for a few extra gorillas tells me he’s lower than shark sh*t.

how much more extra is it after tax?

but what's the risk of going to a club in that much turmoil. new list manager or coach and he could find himself delisted with no one looking at him a third time.

i would have thought the better bet would be to take the small hit $$$ wise for a better environment to build a career in.

 

[bergholt]

Yeah but how many times does an out of contract player not get to the club that he nominates? Even if it is Essendon, I think it is a bit unrealistic.

Spot on. It's basically never happened.

 

[Joffaboy]

Anybody see the similarities between this Caldwell signing and the script of The Club

- Big club fallen on hard times, desperate to become powerful again
- offers new untried gun way overs to play for them
-guarantees him a spot in the mids in seniors.

What happens when Jye gets stoned like Geoff in the movie and starts watching the Prince of Seagulls instead of the game?

The powers that be at that club are like the Administrator and Jock, the ex great. They just brought Sheedy back to play the role of Jock.

Wonder if they will go for Rostov as the coach after 2021?

 

[StCicatriz]

On the flipside of not being nominated by Caldwell, I'm actually quite pleased that we didn't get sucked in to offering an unproven (albeit highly regarded) 20 y.o with a contract that is better than the majority of our list. Spending big for blokes like Hill, Crouch, Carlisle, Hannaz, Jones, Doogz etc is fair enough and understood by the playing group as they are known and experienced necessities. If we want to create a culture of blokes playing for team success (i.e. Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond etc) then I think we've potentially avoided a cohesion pot-hole in not having a Caldwell wanting to come to us. Good luck to him but better luck to us when trade season officially fires up!

well said!!! good point

 

[bergholt]

how much more extra is it after tax?

but what's the risk of going to a club in that much turmoil. new list manager or coach and he could find himself delisted with no one looking at him a third time.

i would have thought the better bet would be to take the small hit $$$ wise for a better environment to build a career in.

I reckon he thought he wasn't going to get a game at the Saints, with Crouch coming in and competing with Bytel and others for a development spot.

 

[FQFjt]

Any role we play in trade negotiations which results in another team paying way overs for a player is still a win for us. Bad salary cap decisions are slow burning train wrecks, as we see time and time again.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Would rather he go on to be a gun at Essendon and never threaten us in finals than join someone else and break our heart one day.
How many days since Essendons last finals win?

 

[bird_man]

Disagree with that, an extra 50-100k a year plus an extra year of security at the end for another 500k is life changing money any way you want to put it.

Yeah that's true. Especially with the issues he's already had with his body.

If we offered 4 x 400 he's got almost an extra million dollars guaranteed at the Bombers.

Hard to knock thar back.

 

[Plugger35]

Caldwell wouldn't be a certainty to get a game with us without Crouch - with him on the way Jye would find it even tougher. Crouch and Clark may be the two gun mids we've been hoping for.

B: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Carlisle, Long
C: Hill, Steele, Hannebery
HF: Billings, Marshall, Gresham
F: Butler, King, Membrey

Foll: Ryder, Crouch, Clark
Int: Battle, Jones, Ross, Sinclair

That's a top 4 side given a reasonable run with injuries. Caldwell would be competing with Ross and Sinclair for a spot along with Bytel and Byrnes. We do need midfield depth but I'm not sure Caldwell should be a priority

Yeah I'm not that fussed if we don't get Caldwell after getting Crouch, you'd think Caldwell was the GWS version of Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

22

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

the way some people are carrying on but unlike Crouch he wouldn't be a walk up start for our best 22, he would be a fringe player competing with a few other midfielders for a spot.

 

[paddygunner]

On the flipside of not being nominated by Caldwell, I'm actually quite pleased that we didn't get sucked in to offering an unproven (albeit highly regarded) 20 y.o with a contract that is better than the majority of our list. Spending big for blokes like Hill, Crouch, Carlisle, Hannaz, Jones, Doogz etc is fair enough and understood by the playing group as they are known and experienced necessities. If we want to create a culture of blokes playing for team success (i.e. Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond etc) then I think we've potentially avoided a cohesion pot-hole in not having a Caldwell wanting to come to us. Good luck to him but better luck to us when trade season officially fires up!

THIS +1

 

[StCicatriz]

I reckon he thought he wasn't going to get a game at the Saints, with Crouch coming in and competing with Bytel and others for a development spot.

yet he's going to essendon with Shiel already there? Captain plays midfield and aint going anywhere. so isn't that the same as Steele + Crouch?

Merrett? Thumbnail? McGrath?

i'm sure i'm missing some too!

 

[Armoooo]

Is Narkle that good?

Not yet, it would be trading on potential. To date he has probably done a bit more than Caldwell, ceiling might not be as high.

 

[Joffaboy]

If Dunkley is actually a real chance to move and we missed because of Crouch, I'd be pretty annoyed. I'm happy with Crouch in isolation, but Dunkley would be a much better prospect with his age and without the durability concerns.

Contracted, would cost more than we paid for Hill, much more.

 

[StCicatriz]

Yeah that's true. Especially with the issues he's already had with his body.

If we offered 4 x 400 he's got almost an extra million dollars guaranteed at the Bombers.

Hard to knock thar back.

post tax?

 

[bergholt]

yet he's going to essendon with Shiel already there? Captain plays midfield and aint going anywhere. so isn't that the same as Steele + Crouch?

Merrett? Thumbnail? McGrath?

i'm sure i'm missing some too!

No idea, I don't know anything about Essendon's list, I try not to think about them. But they could easily have made him the argument that he's more likely to play with them than with us.

 

[triggering bro]

Has Caldwell or his manager been quoted as requesting to go to Essendon? Only article of relevance I can find quotes McCarthy stating Jye has requested to go to a Victorian club but nothing about which club. Maybe I’m getting desperate.