Preview 2023 Rd 13 Carlton vs Essendon Sunday June 11 7:15PM @ MCG

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Team is in ...


IN: Ed Curnow, Jack Martin, Marc Pittonet

OUT: Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher, Lochie O'Brien, Jack Silvagni





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AFL team news: Martin among three Round 13 inclusions

Carlton's team is in for the Round 13 clash with Essendon.
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Backs:Alex CincottaJacob WeiteringJordan Boyd
Half-backs:Adam SaadMitch McGovernBrodie Kemp
Centreline:Sam WalshPatrick CrippsBlake Acres
Half-forwards:Jack MartinCharlie CurnowSam Docherty
Forwards:Matthew OwiesHarry McKayTom De Koning
Followers:Marc PittonetAdam CerraEd Curnow
Interchange:Matthew CottrellMatthew KennedyJesse Motlop
Lewis Young
Emergencies:Lachie CowanPaddy DowLachie Fogarty
Jack Silvagni
 
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HarryFlashman said:
If u watch the vfl u will see that he is damaging. They spliced together a package of poor disposal to be “edgy”.
You get the ball on avg 32 times there’s going to be some mistakes.
His highlights (which there plenty of each game) easily out weighs it.
The “Dow can’t kick rhetoric” is bullshit, lacing out Harry perfectly last game shows that. His kicking has improved out of sight, he has power & penetration but is also hitting up the close targets.
He doesn’t get “easy” touches and finds good attacking options, finding space for team mates or starting a forward chain. Even when he’s slamming it on the boot to get it out the hot zone, he’s clearing it 40+ meters which at least gives the team a chance to set up
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The stats don't support your opinion.

35 touches. 19 clangers.

If any of our AFL mids had 19 clangers in a game everyone would expect that player to be dropped. Yet Dow is putting those types of performances in at the level below the AFL

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Here's the current (as of this morning) top disposal averages in the VFL this year. Binns aside (who is the real player who should feel aggrieved he hasn't been selected as he does have a point of difference and is in his first year) the rest of the list are either players who aren't even AFL listed or are those who have been or are who like Dow are known butchers of the ball .


19 clangers and you want him in the AFL team.
 
Wickzki said:
The stats don't support your opinion.

35 touches. 19 clangers.

If any of our AFL mids had 19 clangers in a game everyone would expect that player to be dropped. Yet Dow is putting those types of performances in at the level below the AFL

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Here's the current (as of this morning) top disposal averages in the VFL this year. Binns aside (who is the real player who should feel aggrieved he hasn't been selected as he does have a point of difference and is in his first year) the rest of the list are either players who aren't even AFL listed or are those who have been or are who like Dow are known butchers of the ball .


19 clangers and you want him in the AFL team.
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What game was this? If it was the Williamstown game, he was repeatedly kicking into a gale you could windsurf on with a skateboard and a towel
 
Jimmae said:
What game was this? If it was the Williamstown game, he was repeatedly kicking into a gale you could windsurf on with a skateboard and a towel
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The one before he got selected.

He has averaged double digit clangers this year according to Ralph so even if we account for toxic ball use weather it doesn't paint a good picture. Not every game has had poor conditions, surely.
 
Wickzki said:
The stats don't support your opinion.

35 touches. 19 clangers.

If any of our AFL mids had 19 clangers in a game everyone would expect that player to be dropped. Yet Dow is putting those types of performances in at the level below the AFL

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Here's the current (as of this morning) top disposal averages in the VFL this year. Binns aside (who is the real player who should feel aggrieved he hasn't been selected as he does have a point of difference and is in his first year) the rest of the list are either players who aren't even AFL listed or are those who have been or are who like Dow are known butchers of the ball .


19 clangers and you want him in the AFL team.
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That’s a great story but just wrong.
VFL stats vfl.aflmstats.com
P Dow avg 31.7 disposals, 4.6 tackles, 16.9 handballs, 14.8 kick- so yeah avg 32
No game this season has he had 35- had 36 his last full game, 17 kicks. So how does he have 19 clangers??
We’re are u finding the clanger stats? Best of my knowledge there no clanger stats kept at vfl- same with disposal efficiency.
So are u just misinformed or deliberately teeing off on a bloke & making it up the stats?
 
HarryFlashman said:
That’s a great story but just wrong.
VFL stats vfl.aflmstats.com
P Dow avg 31.7 disposals, 4.6 tackles, 16.9 handballs, 14.8 kick- so yeah avg 32
No game this season has he had 35- had 36 his last full game, 17 kicks. So how does he have 19 clangers??
We’re are u finding the clanger stats? Best of my knowledge there no clanger stats kept at vfl- same with disposal efficiency.
So are u just misinformed or deliberately teeing off on a bloke & making it up the stats?
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Pregame show last week and another of the Fox Footy shows during the week.

It may have been 36. Excuse me for being one off.
 
HarryFlashman said:
It’s bullshit mate, don’t believe Ralph
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They're not producing stats out of their ass.

They have no problem sticking the boots into us in other ways

If these numbers weren't factual then they'd use it to further stick the boots into us instead of justifying the selection policy of the match committee.
 
Wickzki said:
Pregame show last week and another of the Fox Footy shows during the week.

It may have been 36. Excuse me for being one off.
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It’s bullshit, he did not turn over every kick
Wickzki said:
They're not producing stats out of their ass.

They have no problem sticking the boots into us in other ways

If these numbers weren't factual then they'd use it to further stick the boots into us instead of justifying the selection policy of the match committee.
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Plenty of us watched the game, he’s 100% talking s**t.
 

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HarryFlashman said:
It’s very ******* simple, I don’t get how people cannot understand it.
The best player in the VFL for the last 2yrs has not been given 2 games in a row playing as part of our midfield to show whether or not he’s AFL standard.
Whether he is or not is a moot point- no one knows as he hasn’t been given the opportunity. Throw in how badly our midfield has been going & it’s the reason why it continually gets brought up.
It’s down right ******* stupid
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for using moot rather than the oft seen mute.

On SM-F926B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Wickzki said:
They're not producing stats out of their ass.

They have no problem sticking the boots into us in other ways

If these numbers weren't factual then they'd use it to further stick the boots into us instead of justifying the selection policy of the match committee.
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Just watched the twitter highlights, it showed 15 possessions (including a goal) 19 out of the other 21 touches were not clangers, it is 100% bullshit. It did not happen.
VFL app has the replay available
 
HarryFlashman said:
Just watched the twitter highlights, it showed 15 possessions (including a goal) 19 out of the other 21 touches were not clangers, it is 100% bullshit. It did not happen.
VFL app has the replay available
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Then I don't know who fed Fox the stats then or why they took them verbatim
 
Wickzki said:
Then I don't know who fed Fox the stats then or why they took them verbatim
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They are lazy pricks, I’d be calling for Dows head if he was producing that level of clangers. It’s s**t that the pricks don’t fact check before spouting off.
Blame Kane Cornes 😂 👍
 
Wickzki said:
The stats don't support your opinion.

35 touches. 19 clangers.

If any of our AFL mids had 19 clangers in a game everyone would expect that player to be dropped. Yet Dow is putting those types of performances in at the level below the AFL

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Here's the current (as of this morning) top disposal averages in the VFL this year. Binns aside (who is the real player who should feel aggrieved he hasn't been selected as he does have a point of difference and is in his first year) the rest of the list are either players who aren't even AFL listed or are those who have been or are who like Dow are known butchers of the ball .


19 clangers and you want him in the AFL team.
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Pretty sure many of our elite players eg Walsh etc skills have been rubbish this year also.
Who cares anymore, he won't be at Carlton next year, he will find a new home & most likely be a solid 3/4th mid .
 
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