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I haven't followed the case closely but the discussion on Offsiders was interesting. Waleed Aly thinks the NRL are on shaky foundations by trying to pin their argument on damage to product on De Belin when there are so many other issues damaging the brand that are not being addressed.
Folau on the other hand has lost support of his teammates and has violated contractual obligations as an ambassador of national rugby. As Michael Cheika said, the Wallabies are representing all Australians. And he has previous form.
His wife Maria is the Adelaide Thunderbirds high profile recruit, and Netball Australia and New Zealand have been checking her mental health with all this controversy.
Some convoluted legal arguments to come.
Kim speculated that you shouldn't need to educate people that it is not okay to abuse
Racism is s**t, but these idiots are often still stuck in the ‘but words can never hurt me’ stage of development. If you want to think it, that’s your (poor) choice, but don’t say it aloud.You do wonder how much education helps these bottom feeders. Kim Brennan on Offsiders today was talking about the NRL talking about more education for players that it is not alright to hurt women. Kim speculated that you shouldn't need to educate people that it is not okay to abuse women.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were a time of year when we could be reminded that we should be willing to forgive others for their misgivings and failures as well as the possibility of having our own misgivings forgiven and overlooked also?
I don't condone racism and I also don't subscribe to the belief that we can or should restrict an individuals right to voice his/her (they, them, their, zee, zan or whatever the correct singular or collective pronoun is these days) thoughts or opinions, regardless of how stupid or hurtful they may be to another individuals feelings. Attempts to do so sets us on a very slippery slope which can lead to far more dire and/or unforeseen consequences (ie where does it end and who gets to decide what is offensive and should or should not be banned?).
Call the individual out by all means, and express alternative and rational thoughts on how misguided, foolish and incorrect his views may be and win the argument with logic and reason - not by attempting to ban and punish the thought or words expressed. We seem to be increasing living in a world that is too easily outraged and offended. If someone says something that offends you - get over it, disengage with the person if necessary and move on with life or; should we feel so inclined, engage them in rational discussion and debate.
I understand that there will be many here who will not agree with my views and express your thought accordingly; such is your prerogative.
You can do that if you can ignore the historical and current societal issues caused by racism.Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were a time of year when we could be reminded that we should be willing to forgive others for their misgivings and failures as well as the possibility of having our own misgivings forgiven and overlooked also?
I don't condone racism and I also don't subscribe to the belief that we can or should restrict an individuals right to voice his/her (they, them, their, zee, zan or whatever the correct singular or collective pronoun is these days) thoughts or opinions, regardless of how stupid or hurtful they may be to another individuals feelings. Attempts to do so sets us on a very slippery slope which can lead to far more dire and/or unforeseen consequences (ie where does it end and who gets to decide what is offensive and should or should not be banned?).
Call the individual out by all means, and express alternative and rational thoughts on how misguided, foolish and incorrect his views may be and win the argument with logic and reason - not by attempting to ban and punish the thought or words expressed. We seem to be increasing living in a world that is too easily outraged and offended. If someone says something that offends you - get over it, disengage with the person if necessary and move on with life or; should we feel so inclined, engage them in rational discussion and debate.
I understand that there will be many here who will not agree with my views and express your thought accordingly; such is your prerogative.
What has happened to the offender in this instance that you don't think should have happened?
Noticed that, it was still active earlier this morning.
maybe facebook were notified and shut down?
I read the article in The Australian yesterday Aly referred to where it was shown the Waratahs had actually liked previous posts of his on religion. Kind of makes it a lot harder to demonstrate that he's being persecuted due to his religion. The ARU are pretty confusing and poor in terms of their strategic thinking, but I feel they have made the right call with this. But inevitably will be a lawyers picnic with no winners.
Had kind of tuned out to news of NRL players doing dumb s**t over summer and never really bothered to try catch up so am not across the de Belin case. Cringed though at he and his lawyers trying to hit back at the NRL for not providing 'dealing respectfully with women' training. Jesus wept. Where has the concept of personal responsibility gone?
I find the notion that Folau is being persecuted because of his religious beliefs bullshit. He knowingly breached his contract. It has nothing to do with his religious views, he signed a contract, he breached it, he was warned, he breached it again, and got what he deserved. There really isn't much more to it. If he didn't like the terms of the contract he should have never agreed to it.
Im not a racist I have a chocolate grandchild...Could it be the same Cheryl
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Did some research .. not much on her Facebook page.Could it be the same Cheryl
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But but but that part of the Bible about tattoos is the old testament where the law was given which got superseded in the new testament etc etc etc
But but but that part of the Bible about tattoos is the old testament where the law was given which got superseded in the new testament etc etc etc