Roast St Kilda in no mans land

[Stan_Darsh72]

Tough game next week but 2 guaranteed wins after that. But the premise of this thread is no man's land and st Kilda definitely look that way this year.

Still putting games into young players, that is best course for the club atm.

Garica has shown signs in his games, Wilson looks ready made as a winger, Pou is struggling atm, Windhager is looking good in the guts, NAS is hot and cold but Owens has to put into the middle.

 

[Jeremias]

I wouldn't say "love to be" and definitely not after tonight.

I would, and tonight doesn’t change that.

 

[largebus]

They're like the dogs with a bit less top end talent and a slightly more stable coach. Both Lyon and Bevo seem to fixate on playing certain d grade battlers.

I imagine they'll bounce back with a few wins but it's hard to see them threatening anything in September if they get there.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Care to predict the round North will notch their 2nd win of the season?

Or the season in which North will next have a percentage of 89.6?

I think you don’t understand the premise of middle of the road

We’ve been there it’s more fun then being at the bottom sure but take the pain for long term gain instead of constant middle with no long term gain

 

[Arr0w]

2000 to now.

A period with some success for St.Kilda vs Carlton's lowest ebb.

244 wins to 211 wins for the Blues.
An extra 15% wins.

Now how many times have I seen a cherry pick timeline

But I'm sure it must be relevant to say last year, this year or moving forward

 

[Jeremias]

I think you don’t understand the premise of middle of the road

Understand it perfectly, actually.

No surprise you’re reluctant to answer the questions.

Brings me back to the point, strange for a North fan to be having a go at them, in the current environment.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Understand it perfectly, actually.

No surprise you’re reluctant to answer the questions.

Brings me back to the point, strange for a North fan to be having a go at them, in the current environment.

Lol
I think you don’t understand the word ‘perfectly’

But that’s ok I won’t clog up the thread to help you understand

Let’s stay on topic - back to the saints and the land of no man

 

[Jeremias]

Lol
I think you don’t understand the word ‘perfectly’

But that’s ok I won’t clog up the thread to help you understand

Let’s stay on topic - back to the saints and the land of no man

Again, no surprise you won’t answer the question.

Wonder how long it’ll take North to climb into “no man’s land”, and in contention for consecutive finals berths.

Suspect most of their fans who don’t consider parts of their list “complete” would prefer to be there than spoon favorites.

But yes, best you don’t clog up the thread. At least on that, we can agree.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Thats Harsh about Brad Scotts coaching era of 2010-19.

Would you say North melbourne were in no mans land in Brad Scotts 10 year period? I dont know.

Were North Melbourne a mid table side? I agree. It was hard to dispute that. They didnt finish bottom 4, except in 2017. they didnt finish top 4 ladder wise. they made a couple of prelim finals.

Seeing North Melbourne or Port win 2 finals in 2014 was impressive.

North Finishing 8th and won 2 more finals in 2015 was good with the players they had at the time.

We were never a flag chance though. Pulled out the odd arsey performance against top sides, but lost games against equal or lower oppo pretty heavily on the odd occasion which cost top 4 and home final. Just a lot of half arsed games like the Saints have where they mentally show up only half the time. 10/11/12/16/18/19 probably the best examples of bullshit mid-table finishes.

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Ross needs to swing the Axe starting with Higgins and be wild about it. They've no hope against Port so send a message to the playing group.

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Completely disregarding this result.

A 5 day break, with travel involved, is not a recipe for success in modern day footy.

Been reasonably solid with lapses this season and I give them a pass tonight.

5 day breaks need to be eradicated from the fixture if we want to see teams playing at or near their best.

The AFL have done a disservice to us all by inflicting short turnarounds on clubs, and it needs urgent attention.

I think that argument might have some merit. I think from what I remember in historical discussions, the 7 to 6 day break isn't an issue, but the 6-5 day break becomes significant and the 5-4 day break for Anzac day clashes is very significant

 

[Plugger35]

That isn't care, that's revelry. Are you all there?

I don't know why Freo supporters would be revelling in our losses when your new coach is just a poor man's version of Ross Lyon.

 

[cactuscall]

 

[Freomaniac]

The list he had helped.

In what way champ?

We gonna talk about Ross Lyons 2007-11 saints era or Ross Lyons 2012-19 era at the dockers?

 

[BigVic]

They are going nowhere with Ross.

 

[PJays]

Last couple of pages with a few hot takes

Let's take some deep breaths and consider a few facts

- Saints got thrashed for the 2nd time in 30 games in Lyon era 2

- Just played 3 games in 11 days

- Played against one of the best teams of the past decade who were under massive pressure all week. The main story in footy

- Played 8 players 22 or under

- Missing 5 - 8 of their best team, depending who you ask. Including King and Crouch- consistently 2 of the best players over the past few years.

- Have had one of the toughest runs, playing the only 2 undefeated teams with extremely close losses to both on the road (GWS and Geel), and a comfortable victory against the reigning premiers on their ground (Coll at MCG)

Let's see where things end up.

Saints are 2-4. Should be 3-3 but threw away the Essendon game. Could easily be 4-2 after a tough fixture. No need for panic.

 

[Mr Meow]

Last couple of pages with a few hot takes

Let's take some deep breaths and consider a few facts

- Saints got thrashed for the 2nd time in 30 games in Lyon era 2

- Just played 3 games in 11 days

- Played against one of the best teams of the past decade who were under massive pressure all week. The main story in footy

- Played 8 players 22 or under

- Missing 5 - 8 of their best team, depending who you ask. Including King and Crouch- consistently 2 of the best players over the past few years.

- Have had one of the toughest runs, playing the only 2 undefeated teams with extremely close losses to both on the road (GWS and Geel), and a comfortable victory against the reigning premiers on their ground (Coll at MCG)

Let's see where things end up.

Saints are 2-4. Should be 3-3 but threw away the Essendon game. Could easily be 4-2 after a tough fixture. No need for panic.

A valiant effort but:

-Got destroyed by about the 10th best side, and one that was bottom 6 form-wise

-Absences mitigated by Dogs loss of a truly elite mid and a young emerging superstar forward. Saints with a sprinkle of quality out on top, but it wasn't a A side against a B side.

-GWS and Geelong are undefeated but in reality their form lines are that of good teams, not amazing ones.

-Scoring remains a big issue.

-Tactics are designed to create grind-fest slogs, which keeps things competitive but doesn't seem premiership-standard.

The cluster of games leading to a down week is fair enough. The absentee list does make things tricky. But it's hard to see St Kilda as a relevant team this season, even if they scrape into finals.

 

[Footy Smarts]

- Played against one of the best teams of the past decade who were under massive pressure all week. The main story in footy

Gee you've really put some mayo on that. Never top 4 and won finals in only 2 years in the last decade.

 

[WillHayward]

So we're s**t now. Ok. A weeks a long time in football obviously.

Yes

You are s**t

 

[beside the seaside]

Yes

You are s**t

Hahaha. We had a bad loss, so you're back here sifting through the old posts. You're a pretty sad poster mate.

 

[VinnieB]

They have a few excellent kids. I think the midfield needs a little polish and much more depth running through it.

Apart from last night’s game, the saints have been good this season.

 

[BrutThough]

Ross needs to swing the Axe starting with Higgins and be wild about it. They've no hope against Port so send a message to the playing group.

Higgins has been good this season. Not sure why we would drop him at all, let alone have him be the first person dropped.

 

[PJays]

Gee you've really put some mayo on that. Never top 4 and won finals in only 2 years in the last decade.

How many teams have

- Won a flag; and

- Played multiple Grand Finals; and

- Played finals most years, including at least 2 of the last 3 seasons

In the last 10 seasons including this one 2015-2024?

There are two:

• Geelong
• Western Bulldogs

Doggies are experienced, have plenty of talent, have been good for a long time, and became the media's biggest story last week. It's not surprising they bounced back. That was my point.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

They’ll be fine. They played 3 games in 11 days.
The fixture is an absolute joke.
Surely we get rid of this opening round rubbish.

 

[PJays]

A valiant effort but:

-Got destroyed by about the 10th best side, and one that was bottom 6 form-wise

Too early to say. Dogs could finish as high as 5th/6th or as low as 13th/14th.

-Absences mitigated by Dogs loss of a truly elite mid and a young emerging superstar forward. Saints with a sprinkle of quality out on top, but it wasn't a A side against a B side.

Both teams had outs. Saints missing King, Crouch (two of our best players) plus Wood, Henry, Webster, Clark, Paton. Plus Dow.

-GWS and Geelong are undefeated but in reality their form lines are that of good teams, not amazing ones.

They've both had easier fixtures but you can only beat the teams in front of you. In modern AFL winning 5 in a row is impressive regardless who you're playing.

- Scoring remains a big issue

-Tactics are designed to create grind-fest slogs, which keeps things competitive but doesn't seem premiership-standard.

True. But they said the same about Sydney in 2005. If we had more elite ball users, or more elite mids generally, maybe the tactics wouldn't be discussed as much. Those things seems the bigger issues to me

The cluster of games leading to a down week is fair enough. The absentee list does make things tricky. But it's hard to see St Kilda as a relevant team this season, even if they scrape into finals.

I agree. We might finish 5-8 again and win one final. That's probably best case scenario (and I'm not suggesting it's likely). Not a contender this year.