Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn: Ned Long Pick 5, 2021 Rookie Draft

[Stratton24]

Jono Brown will insist we exploited Free Agency...

they will want the rookie draft rules changed cause we actually drafted a real rookie

 

[Brant]

they will want the rookie draft rules changed cause we actually drafted a real rookie

Yeah, Cornes will want an inquiry into us not delisting then re-drafting Burgoyne...

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

*Ned approaching the wrestling drills*

"We think it's best you sit this one out. Too much too soon, ya know?"

 

[Brant]

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Wonder what would happen if he were paired with The Duke?

Irresistible Force v Immovable Object!!!

 

[CHUBBSS]

Wonder what would happen if he were paired with The Duke?

Irresistible Force v Immovable Object!!!

Sounds like the unsociable hawks will be back!

 

[TheFourPillars]

I think what we are seeing at training is an expectation. An expectation of physicality and intensity. Our teams of the last few years have lacked this hard edge. Mitchell wants to bring this back. Its not really about being unsociable. The boys have been pretty sore after each session

 

[Thorgils]

Butler and Serong 17th and 18th overall also. Not too shabby.

Just out of interest:

Finn Maginess 5:51

Josh Ward 5:57

Ned Long 6:05

Connor Macdonald 6:08

Changkuoth Jiath: 6:17 – then beat Maginess in 2021 sub 5:51?

Sam Butler 6:23

Jai Serong 6:24

Connor Downie 4th in 2021 6:10-6:15?

 

[cryptor]

Just out of interest:

Finn Maginess 5:51

Josh Ward 5:57

Ned Long 6:05

Connor Macdonald 6:08

Changkuoth Jiath: 6:17 – then beat Maginess in 2021 sub 5:51?

Sam Butler 6:23

Jai Serong 6:24

Connor Downie 4th in 2021 6:10-6:15?

Out of additional interest, do you happen to have times at any point for Hill, Smith and Scully? Would be interesting to see how they compare.

 

[Thorgils]

From memory most AFL clubs don't tend to publish actual times only placings.

In saying that Finn's time of 5:51 in 2019 wasn't enough to beat Smith so you could logically assume Smith ran sub 5:51 regularly. Hartung i think has the beep test record @ 16.1 before it changed to the yo-yo test but couldn't beat Smith over 2km. Pretty sure he was unbeaten for 5 years straight. I don't believe he ever tested at the combine in 2010 (very shrewd by HFC) but that's back when it was 3km time trial anyway. Consequently Hill ran a 9:52 for 3km in 2011. Reported that Blicavs ran a 5:39 for 2km and a 8:20 over 3km (3000m steeplechase has an entry mark of 8:22). Scully once again only did 3km. Word is he ran a 9:30 as a teenager which would be the top 5 of all time for a draft combine. Conditioning coach for GWS back in the day said he was 'Olympic standard' in his running. Broke the Dandenong Stingrays 3km record @ 9:27. Scully's repeat sprints were off the charts apparently.

 

[halfback dasher]

Please Hawks make him a CHF.

 

[The German Hunter]

Please Hawks make him a CHF.

Tony Hall?

 

[burger09]

Anyone know what his top speed is like?
Dodgy kicking action. Can it be fixed? Does it need to be?

Keen to see him in action. Fascinating prospect.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

From memory most AFL clubs don't tend to publish actual times only placings.

In saying that Finn's time of 5:51 in 2019 wasn't enough to beat Smith so you could logically assume Smith ran sub 5:51 regularly. Hartung i think has the beep test record @ 16.1 before it changed to the yo-yo test but couldn't beat Smith over 2km. Pretty sure he was unbeaten for 5 years straight. I don't believe he ever tested at the combine in 2010 (very shrewd by HFC) but that's back when it was 3km time trial anyway. Consequently Hill ran a 9:52 for 3km in 2011. Reported that Blicavs ran a 5:39 for 2km and a 8:20 over 3km (3000m steeplechase has an entry mark of 8:22). Scully once again only did 3km. Word is he ran a 9:30 as a teenager which would be the top 5 of all time for a draft combine. Conditioning coach for GWS back in the day said he was 'Olympic standard' in his running. Broke the Dandenong Stingrays 3km record @ 9:27. Scully's repeat sprints were off the charts apparently.

Scully is the best runner i've ever seen play footy. He'd beat the 5:20 record that was set by Harry Sharp who was going to try to be an Olympic runner.

 

[KermitJagger]

Scully is the best runner i've ever seen play footy. He'd beat the 5:20 record that was set by Harry Sharp who was going to try to be an Olympic runner.

He wouldn't. People equate Scully's gut running to mean he'd be the best time trial competitor in the AFL, but his advantage wasn't over 2km it was over 16km and beyond. We never got to see it but there were definitely better runners over those 2kms than Scully in the AFL, Sharp is now definitely one, Blicavs would have been, and likely others.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He wouldn't. People equate Scully's gut running to mean he'd be the best time trial competitor in the AFL, but his advantage wasn't over 2km it was over 16km and beyond. We never got to see it but there were definitely better runners over those 2kms than Scully in the AFL, Sharp is now definitely one, Blicavs would have been, and likely others.

Scully's speed in his prime would still beat it in my opinion. 2016 around that time he was genuinely lightning to go with the record breaking runs he'd do every game. He'd beat the 5:20 imo.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Anyone know what his top speed is like?
Dodgy kicking action. Can it be fixed? Does it need to be?

Keen to see him in action. Fascinating prospect.

Based on his write ups from draft watchers - his top speed is slow, and he's not strong on the lead with his hands. The goals he kicked in the TAC were apparently opportunistic. Happy to be told otherwise by Davo-27 and co.

Not sure how any of it will translate and develop in the AFL environment, you'd have to image that his marking and kicking will improve with time at least. For someone his size the pace may not be an issue, guys like JPK and Cripps are big lumbering midfielders that dominate whilst being slow.

 

[KermitJagger]

Scully's speed in his prime would still beat it in my opinion. 2016 around that time he was genuinely lightning to go with the record breaking runs he'd do every game. He'd beat the 5:20 imo.

You can see footage and reports of his 3km time trials prior to being drafted, and he ran around a 9:26 which isn't even the fastest 3km from the drafts when those were being run. Great gut runner in game, doesn't mean he's going to run it faster than a guy who almost qualified for the Olympics in an event specialised for running those distances.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You can see footage and reports of his 3km time trials prior to being drafted, and he ran around a 9:26 which isn't even the fastest 3km from the drafts when those were being run. Great gut runner in game, doesn't mean he's going to run it faster than a guy who almost qualified for the Olympics in an event specialised for running those distances.

Was more talking his prime in 2016, mid prime where he was at his quickest and best endurance.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Gee, we have loaded up on mids!

Good. We need to find some quality young mids. Not all the ones we draft will be superstars or ready straight away (and if they are, great!). We are rebuilding and we have Worpel as the only established mid under 25. Nash has played a couple of ok games, likewise Newcombe. It was a hole in the list and we have drafted astutely to fill it.

 

[Howe Amazing]

I wonder what Tim Clarke

Tim Clarke

Age

42

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.4

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

7.4

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

ran back in the day anyone know? Excited by Ned Long can play him mid and rest him forward, hopefully a Stringer type with great character

 

[WWSD]

Never seen this much hype before over a rookie listed player in my life.

 

[The Chad and I]

Never seen this much hype before over a rookie listed player in my life.

I just have a hard time believing he is an elite 2km runner and he's that big.
Who was the last guy of his size with that running capacity?
Pavlich? Fyfe?

 

[chopflop]

I just have a hard time believing he is an elite 2km runner and he's that big.
Who was the last guy of his size with that running capacity?
Pavlich? Fyfe?

Lance whitnall

 

[Dutchy16]

Mark Bliscavs is 198cm and 102kg.

The Hawks time trial is 2.2km so need to remember this when comparing times against draft camps, other club results.

 

[Brishawk]

I wonder what Tim Clarke ran back in the day anyone know? Excited by Ned Long can play him mid and rest him forward, hopefully a Stringer type with great character

I don’t know what Clarke ran but Liam shiels knocked off the time trial record when he joined the club. It had previously been held by Crawford, if I recall correctly. In later years, shiels couldn’t get close to smith so not sure what that tells us. Could have been a different distance to the current time trial.