List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part II
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Looking at the photo on our club page G train, Roo, Kosi, Joey and X Clarke in one shot 
Man that was a line up
Man that was a line up
Change of coaches may do him some good but he’s still relatively unproven. Hill is a dead cert. Either way I’d be happy to keep him and see what Ratts can do
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Hills hitout stat's are highly disappointing.
Wasn't Blake from some sh1thole little town out past the black stump?
I'm not sure that WA necessarily holds that much appeal for him tbh..
I'm not sure that WA necessarily holds that much appeal for him tbh..
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Acres 203 overall, 30th for his position, 11th at his club - (was ranked our 4th best early last year before getting injured, just as he hit 50 AFL games.)
Hill 226th overall, 82 for his position, 8th at his club. Has averaged around 20 disposals for the past 6 years, has peaked this year with 25.
Says to me that Hill is probably getting overrated and acres output undervalued.
Put Savage on a wing and he'll have similar output to Hill.
Let's keep Acres.
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Acres 203 overall, 30th for his position, 11th at his club - (was ranked our 4th best early last year before getting injured, just as he hit 50 AFL games.)
Hill 226th overall, 82 for his position, 8th at his club. Has averaged around 20 disposals for the past 6 years, has peaked this year with 25.
Says to me that Hill is probably getting overrated and acres output undervalued.
Put Savage on a wing and he'll have similar output to Hill.
Let's keep Acres.
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Why not get them both Crouch & Hill? If we lose Stuv our midfield will remain a bottom 6 group, until our kids develop. We may get Constable in the Stuv trade hence we could then look at tradng out Acres, Dunstan or Sinclair in the deals.
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Totally underwhelmed by that deal, we pay what hill is worth and throw in a 23 year old acres just for fun.
Not sure how that happened lol
Stop sitting on the fence. Go hard or go home...
I doubt we’d do 6 + Acres for Hill. Indeed if we are offering that deal (a first and Acres) it says to me we are tying to hold onto 6 and give a future pick.
Teen picks aren’t much good to Freo since they’d risk loosing it if an early bid for Henry comes up.
So future 1st + Acres for Hill and say a future 3rd I’d reckon.
Or if we land at pick 8 and do 8 and Acres we’d at least be able to get pick 25 back off them since they are unlikely to be able to use it anyway.
Maybe.
But if it's true that he's been offered for trade then the club disagree.
He is contracted so if a trade doesn't happen, he stays.
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That graph and my eyeballs show blake now stagnating for 2 years not 1.
That doesn't mean I want him gone.
I don't want any of acres,ross,sinclair etc traded.
Purely because our issue is we need gun mids to HELP those guys- we need guys like acres etc AND guns above them if we are going to actually play and win finals.
Swapping the names around of our B grade brigade (acres, ross, sincs etc out for jones, martin, whoever) wont get us any closer to playing and winning finals.
That's just shuffling deckchairs on the titanic.
Nor will shipping off parts of our B grade brigade to bring in guns help much overall to play and win finals- because we need depth AND guns.
We're robbing peter to pay paul losing mid depth to bring in gun mids.
I love josh bruce- but I'd rather ship him off ahead of acres or ross or sincs to get hill- because we could replace him with battle next year.
Or better yet- dont use ANY players to get hill- i'd try and split this years first AND next years first if needed.
Turn our 2 first rounders in 2019 and 2020 into 4 late first rounders.
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He's a great kid and from all accounts puts in extra sessions at training.
The reality is that players like Roma, Battle, Wilkie and a few others have shot past him in terms of development.
Wherever he ends up I hope he has a good career.
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We will have to wait and see
If Ratten rates him, then he likely stays.
And he's still ranked higher than Hill who has played twice as many games.
At any rate, his 2018 was far better than his 2017, so I don't see how you would consider that stagnating?
Hill's graph doesn't look like a player you should be counting on either…
I’m basing it purely on what I’ve seen this year but Hill looks like a great get to man a wing.
Wouldn’t want pay dearly but he is desirable. I’d also love to add an inside mid ball magnet - Crouch or Coniglio, not fussed
Wouldn’t want pay dearly but he is desirable. I’d also love to add an inside mid ball magnet - Crouch or Coniglio, not fussed
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I didn't say anything about hill.
You asserted blake had stagnated this year and showed a graph that shows he flatlined in 2018 and went backwards in 2019.
So it's actually quite generous to say he's stagnated for 2 years.
It would be more accurate to say he stagnated in 2018 and got worse in 2019.
I don't want to trade blake btw.
Also I think those stats and rankings are of limited value as evidence, but I'm playing along with your use of them.
Blake is decent depth, with scope to improve, contracted and plays in the midfield which is a real problem area for us.
We wouldn't gain anything sufficient enough in trading him to offset his value to us- therefore, he stays.
To make it worthwhile trading the likes of acres, ross, sincs, dunstan etc (our B grade mid brigade), it would take a trade so advantageous to us that it won't realistically happen.
For instance, hill for acres (or sincs or dunstan) straight swap.
As such a trade is unrealistic- they are worth us keeping so they stay.
The cure for our problem that the midfield is all B grade and no A grade isn't to remove B grade and add A grade.
We need A AND B grade mids if we want to play and win finals.
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Stephen Hill is an UFA so there is no need to include him in a trade, he'll he free.
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It pains me to say this but I’d love Dildoro this year in the negotiations.
Wind back to 2017 he turned 11 30 and a future 2nd into Stringer, Smith and Saad.
Dogs demanded 11 for Stringer. He took it off the table by sending it to GWS for Smith. Dogs then limped to the last hour of trade week and accepted 25 and 30.
It was shrewd and masterful.
Freo want pick 6 for Hill. Get creative, take it off the table and spin it into a double win. Hopefully this is where gubby will earn his money. Brisbane’s 2 x firsts or a GWS young gun and a first.
I don’t want Langdon. He’s a good player. We have enough of those. We need great players.
I’d send this years 1st and next years to GC for King and Martin. Just bring the King home now
Wind back to 2017 he turned 11 30 and a future 2nd into Stringer, Smith and Saad.
Dogs demanded 11 for Stringer. He took it off the table by sending it to GWS for Smith. Dogs then limped to the last hour of trade week and accepted 25 and 30.
It was shrewd and masterful.
Freo want pick 6 for Hill. Get creative, take it off the table and spin it into a double win. Hopefully this is where gubby will earn his money. Brisbane’s 2 x firsts or a GWS young gun and a first.
I don’t want Langdon. He’s a good player. We have enough of those. We need great players.
I’d send this years 1st and next years to GC for King and Martin. Just bring the King home now
I thought we were talking about Acres relative value in a trade for Hill?
I don't mind a player flat-lining if they are ranked our 4th best which he was early last year.
2018 was a serious improvement on 2017 - pretty disingenuous to declare that stagnating, particularly for a player missing two months through injury.
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