List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[Remboy]

I will melt early then. If they do this deal SOS and co need to be removed before the paperwork goes through.

You want Shiel that badly?

 

[L_W_P]

Pick 7 becomes 9 or 10

Not sure he makes it that far

It's the same pick?

1 - Reid
2 - McKercher
3 - Duursma
4 - Curtin
5 - Watson
6 - Caddy
7 - Sanders

OR

1 - Reid
2 - Walter (GC)
3 - McKercher
4 - Duursma
5 - Read (GC)
6 - Curtin
7 - Watson
8 - Caddy
9 - Rogers (GC)
10 - Sanders

Does my head in when people say "Oh it'll slide back so it's not worth it." You still get the same player options.

 

[The Boar]

Pick 20.

No Shiel.

Then we trade 20 and our future first to Geelong.


Then the melts will begin

Love it if we have a commitment from Ben King as a FA next year.

2x Mids this year at the Draft + Dow + Henry
Bing next year for cash.

 

[kernelT]

What do we get off Geelong?

They'll turn the lights down real low, pop some barry white on and open a fresh goon.

 

[Scoop]

Does my head in when people say "Oh it'll slide back so it's not worth it." You still get the same player opoptions.

Exactly. The only pick that is going to affect who's available is North's bulltish compo pick 3!

 

[RWB4life]

It's the same pick?

1 - Reid
2 - McKercher
3 - Duursma
4 - Curtin
5 - Watson
6 - Caddy
7 - Sanders

OR

1 - Reid
2 - Walter (GC)
3 - McKercher
4 - Duursma
5 - Read (GC)
6 - Curtin
7 - Watson
8 - Caddy
9 - Rogers (GC)
10 - Sanders

Does my head in when people say "Oh it'll slide back so it's not worth it." You still get the same player options.

You're correct but I can easily see Sanders going in top 7. Before Caddy, maybe Watson maybe even Curtin. Of that 4-7 group he's probably the best mid.

 

[kernelT]

Love it if we have a commitment from Ben King as a FA next year.

2x Mids this year at the Draft + Dow + Henry
Bing next year for cash.

He's not a free agent next year is he? 2026

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

What does Dodo do all week? Hasn’t spoken with Port, says he hasn’t discussed Gresh with StK. Golfing?

He sits in his recliner, smoking a pipe and counts how many times his name appears in the Herald Sun.

It truly is the Dildo's time to shine.

 

[Mowman]

You're correct but I can easily see Sanders going in top 7. Before Caddy, maybe Watson maybe even Curtin. Of that 4-7 group he's probably the best mid.

Can see Sanders going 5 or 6 easily

 

[Sully111]

Gresham and RTB get on well. Both parties know this is a commercial decision. Gresham will go where he gets paid the most... whether it be Essendon or St Kilda.

If Essendon offer him a figure he isn't looking for then we will match.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side as BJ found out.

Reckon Gresham would screw us over without batting an eye.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Free trade period ends tomorrow.

Free Agency ends tomorrow.

 

[saint66au]

We want that Band 2 pick not to use on a player, but to use it to move our Pick 13 up the order into the Top 10

Future 2nd for Henry (Maybe with something back) and a 4th for Dow gets those done

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Reckon Gresham would screw us over without batting an eye.

Brow

 

[saintmike65]

Doesn't he live out that way

Yes he does but he had another guy from Port with him

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Do you mean free agency period?

Duh ...yeah. I seem to have cognitive dissonance today.

 

[stavro#4]

Think if we give pick 12 for picks in the 20s melts are justified

But we haven’t done anything.

So let’s see what happens.

Worth remembering, Half this place wasn’t keen on the Shiel deal.

 

[Joffaboy]

Think if we give pick 12 for picks in the 20s melts are justified

Let me put on the rose coloured glasses for a moment here mowman.

Lately we have done well identifying players that miss out on the draft or were delisted

Sharman
Wood
Stocker
Hammer

We have some good players from last draft that we haven't even seen yet

Hotton (who I have high hopes for)
Van Es (big lump of a lad needs developing)
Keeler (could be Nic Nat or Spencer White, raw AF, but has some tremendous upside)

Now none of this translates to picking gems in this draft

Chito pick in the late 20's
Windy late thirties

We were lucky that covid hid them a bit

What I am saying is that it is a risk to go after the gems in R2, however we have been fairly successful lately in grabbing good later players.

The risk is that we don't get the Naz or the Pou that could be a League leader once developed, on the other hand we may land a Jye Bolton diamond from the rough.

Does not address our glaring issue. We have no Oliver, or Petracca, or peak Dusty or Danger or Bont in our mids.

If the 'hidden gems' is our strategy we need to suck up the fact we get no immediate value from this draft, we get no superstar or potential superstar from the draft.

This would logically mean that with our big fat TPP warchest next year, (as the article stav posted yesterday points out) we hit FA
I have some confidence in Toce, he has been getting around the country identifying. A member here lets us know by PM he was at their local WAFL finals (?) game will Gubby a month or so back, another report was him and RTB being at the VFL granny.
I know in 2020, he quarantined in Qld for 3 weeks then flew to SA and stayed there for a couple of months I think, scouting like crazy the SANFL which had continued.

If we go down that path, we wont see benefits until 2025 at the very very earliest from this draft.

At least we will all have something to complain about when pick 13 that we have from this draft becomes the new Bont or Judd or someone

\end rose coloured glasses rant

 

[saintmike65]

We want that Band 2 pick not to use on a player, but to use it to move our Pick 13 up the order into the Top 10

Future 2nd for Henry (Maybe with something back) and a 4th for Dow gets those done

There’s nothing coming back from a future second..we’re dealing with Bell remember!

 

[Joffaboy]

They'll turn the lights down real low, pop some barry white on and open a fresh goon.

No lube though, they like it a bit rough

 

[phantom13]

Duh ...yeah. I seem to have cognitive dissonance today.

The whole post season s**t show (FA, Trade, Draft) goes for 2 months and feels like 12.

I dont blame you.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Can see Sanders going 5 or 6 easily

Curtin is the interesting one.

A bit of talk that he's the drifter.

You'd snap him up quick smart if we end up with the handbaggers pick & he's still available.

 

[saintmike65]

Hopefully means the Jonas trade isn't far away.

Jonas retired

 

[saintmike65]

Let me put on the rose coloured glasses for a moment here mowman.

Lately we have done well identifying players that miss out on the draft or were delisted

Sharman
Wood
Stocker
Hammer

We have some good players from last draft that we haven't even seen yet

Hotton (who I have high hopes for)
Van Es (big lump of a lad needs developing)
Keeler (could be Nic Nat or Spencer White, raw AF, but has some tremendous upside)

Now none of this translates to picking gems in the draft

Chito pick in the late 20's
Windy late thirties

We were lucky that covid hid them a bit

What I am saying is that it is a risk to go after the gems in R2, however we have been fairly successful lately in grabbing good later players.

The risk is that we don't get the Naz or the Pou that could be a League leader once developed, on the other hand we may land a Jye Bolton diamond from the rough.

Does not address our glaring issue. We have no Oliver, or Petracca, or peak Dusty or Danger or Bont in our mids.

If the 'hidden gems' is our strategy we need to suck up the fact we get no immediate value from this draft, we get no superstar or potential superstar from the draft.

This would logically mean that with our big fat TPP warchest next year, (as the article stav posted yesterday points out) we hit FA
I have some confidence in Toce, he has been getting around the country identifying. A member here lets us know by PM he was at their local WAFL finals (?) game will Gubby a month or so back, another report was him and RTB being at the VFL granny.
I know in 2020, he quarantined in Qld for 3 weeks then flew to SA and stayed there for a couple of months I think, scouting like crazy the SANFL which had continued.

If we go down that path, we wont see benefits until 2025 at the very very earliest from this draft.

At least we will all have something to complain about when pick 13 that we have from this draft becomes the new Bont or Judd or someone

\end rose coloured glasses rant

Sharman, Heath, Allison and Hotton were all working hard at RSEA park yesterday…great to see that kind of initiative

 

[stavro#4]

Sharman, Heath, Allison and Hotton were all working hard at RSEA park yesterday…great to see that kind of initiative

Annoys me slightly that there seems to be 2 groups developing with the kids.

The “core” group from last week.

And the “vfl” group here.

 

[Joffaboy]

Jonas retired

So did Frawley, your point?