Analysis Clubs in breach of the two first round picks in four years

[The Inbetweener]

I reckon it might involve the Suns - I think they will go 3 into a haul from the Crows (say 8, 13 and something or 8, 16 and something) and we will chase the lowest of their first rounders. If the Suns can filter that pick into draft capital over the next couple of drafts they will be laughing.

Suns don’t really need more picks though. They already have more good picks than they have open list spots

 

[Mitchell54]

Suns don’t really need more picks though. They already have more good picks than they have open list spots

Wouldn’t be surprised if GC traded their pick 29 for a future 2nd

 

[The Inbetweener]

Wouldn’t be surprised if GC traded their pick 29 for a future 2nd

Yeah they will need to at the moment or cut a contracted player

 

[dogzrule]

Suns don’t really need more picks though. They already have more good picks than they have open list spots

They need mature players not more kids but no one apart from C graders who want a pay day will go there then they pay their 3rd to 5th year players massive overs to stay to make up their cap

 

[Mitchell54]

Would Saints trade Pick 4 to GC for Pick 6 & 24/29

Gold Coast go to the draft with pick 2, 3 & 4 and draft Luko, Rankine & Rozee

 

[LeverPuller]

Suns don’t really need more picks though. They already have more good picks than they have open list spots

Yeah but I think they might seek to trade back once for a haul then use it to trade for future picks.

With the number of draft picks they have, they should try to set up the rolling high picks similar to GWS’s first 3-4 years

 

[The Inbetweener]

Wouldn’t be surprised if GC traded their pick 29 for a future 2nd

Just saw the Suns don’t have a 2nd rounder next year so this makes even more sense

 

[HFF]

After trading their 2018 1st and their 2019 1st as well as possibly losing their 2nd round pick because of going into deficit matching bids for Quayner and Kelly they are in breach of the rules and will have to trade back into the 1st round 2019 without much currency because they'll only have picks 53 and 71

Another price to pay for the Beams deal.

Chances are we won't have to go into deficit as we will have enough points to match bids for both players.
Very dramatic post.

 

[Mitchell54]

Chances are we won't have to go into deficit as we will have enough points to match bids for both players.
Very dramatic post.

Agree. Part of the reason the Pies got 41 & 44 back from brisbane as part of the deal was so they wouldn’t run into the problem of not having enough points.

 

[Tandy]

Stupid rule. If clubs want to trade away future picks then that's their risk to take.

 

[StringyDog]

Do you have confirmation of this somewhere?

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/2018-07-19/cats-first-round-requirements

 

[Jibroni]

Agree its a dumbass rule, the Dees are now 3 years without a 1st rounder. Feels kinda strange.

 

[Thetrader15]

Would Saints trade Pick 4 to GC for Pick 6 & 24/29

Gold Coast go to the draft with pick 2, 3 & 4 and draft Luko, Rankine & Rozee

Sounds great but Rozee isn't worth 4.

Smith, Ming, Bing should all go ahead of Rozee IMO

 

[Mitchell54]

Sounds great but Rozee isn't worth 4.

Smith, Ming, Bing should all go ahead of Rozee IMO

I reckon Rozee could go 4 if GC had it.
I reckon Rozee will be better than Rankine.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Would Saints trade Pick 4 to GC for Pick 6 & 24/29

Gold Coast go to the draft with pick 2, 3 & 4 and draft Luko, Rankine & Rozee

Not sure Saints do that unless they think there is not much difference between their 4th and 6th choice on their draft board.

 

[CWaffles]

Agree its a dumbass rule, the Dees are now 3 years without a 1st rounder. Feels kinda strange.

We did take 4 top 10 picks over 2 years in 2014 and 2015, but i agree we need to either get back into the first round this year or hold onto next years.

 

[TheLastCall]

We did take 4 top 10 picks over 2 years in 2014 and 2015, but i agree we need to either get back into the first round this year or hold onto next years.

I thought the only penalty was you couldn't trade future picks.

Edit. So you can't trade your first round pick till you are compliant with the rule.

 

[Mitchell54]

Not sure Saints do that unless they think there is not much difference between their 4th and 6th choice on their draft board.

Rumour is that their into Max King. Could still be there at Pick 6

 

[The Warlord]

As it stands now Essendon, Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood, and Melbourne won't be able to trade out their 2020 1st rounder unless they trade picks to get one this year. Collingwood changes if Quaynor gets bid on in first round as that counts even though they use 2nd round picks to match it

A few clubs looking to use the NGA/Father Son player "first rounder" loophole I reckon.

 

[anotherletdown]

Sounds great but Rozee isn't worth 4.

Smith, Ming, Bing should all go ahead of Rozee IMO

Agree, they also need a dedicated midfielder. They’ll take Lukosius and Smith with their first 2.

They will only trade up if they seriously want Rozee and think St Kilda would trade to Adelaide. Rozee will be gone if the two SA clubs have 4 & 5.

 

[anotherletdown]

Not sure Saints do that unless they think there is not much difference between their 4th and 6th choice on their draft board.

I don’t think King will go before 6. Give it to GC and take 6 and a second rounder. Works for GC too as they don’t have the list spots (from memory) for that 2nd round pick

 

[Bored_Pie]

As I understand the 1st round rules, clubs must use 2 x 1st round picks in a 4 year period.

So, unless a club has acquired 2 x 1st round picks between 2015 and 2018 it cannot trade away it's 1st round selection for 2019.

The Pies selected Jaidyn Stephenson at No.6 in the 2017 NAB AFL Draft and will need to trigger one first-round selection in 2018 or 2019 after not taking any between 2015-16.

After trading their 2018 1st and their 2019 1st as well as possibly losing their 2nd round pick because of going into deficit matching bids for Quayner and Kelly they are in breach of the rules and will have to trade back into the 1st round 2019 without much currency because they'll only have picks 53 and 71

Another price to pay for the Beams deal.

If we get a flag.

I don't think we could any serious farks if we breach.

 

[katmanblue]

I reckon Rozee could go 4 if GC had it.
I reckon Rozee will be better than Rankine.

Also good mates with Lukosious,so may help with retention for both.

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[Blue1980]

Get rid of the rule, and let clubs trade as many years into the future as they like.

If a club is really stupid with it, can’t see how it’s any different to really bad decisions Carlton made from 09-14 with terrible recruiting.

End of the day clubs will make bad calls and rise and fall, that’s their cross to bear

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Get rid of the rule, and let clubs trade as many years into the future as they like.

If a club is really stupid with it, can’t see how it’s any different to really bad decisions Carlton made from 09-14 with terrible recruiting.

End of the day clubs will make bad calls and rise and fall, that’s their cross to bear

At times, the AFL needs to protect clubs from themselves.

Carlton is a great example.