Club Focus Collingwood 2021 - Kreuger, Lipinski, Daicos, Murley, Harrison

[Lore]

New deals for trio, but tall Pie remains in limbo

Mason Cox remains without a contract for 2022

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Just Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

left now

 

[Sphynx]

North won’t bid on Daicos, Darcy with top pick

North won’t bid at pick 1 on father-sons Nick Daicos or Sam Darcy, in what will be a relief for the Magpies and Bulldogs, as the Roos prepare to pick Jason Horne-Francis

www.theage.com.au

 

[Prochard123]

North won’t bid on Daicos, Darcy with top pick

North won’t bid at pick 1 on father-sons Nick Daicos or Sam Darcy, in what will be a relief for the Magpies and Bulldogs, as the Roos prepare to pick Jason Horne-Francis

www.theage.com.au

Very naiceee

 

[RobJD]

I heard today that the Pies haven't (as yet) nominated Youssef Dib. I have liked the little that I've seen of him - is this simply strategic or is there some doubt that he'll be nominated in the draft?

 

[Elmer_Judd]

North won’t bid on Daicos, Darcy with top pick

North won’t bid at pick 1 on father-sons Nick Daicos or Sam Darcy, in what will be a relief for the Magpies and Bulldogs, as the Roos prepare to pick Jason Horne-Francis

www.theage.com.au

Sensible decision by North, to take clearly the outstanding number 1 player and talent in this year's draft. Daicos will likely spend much of next season in the VFL, whereas Horne-Francis is a ready to go gun for AFL level.

Not trying to slight Daicos actually, who potentially could be the best player of his draft class, just think that he will take slightly longer to adjust to the more physical and faster form of the game than JHF.

 

[RobJD]

Sensible decision by North, to take clearly the outstanding number 1 player and talent in this year's draft. Daicos will likely spend much of next season in the VFL, whereas Horne-Francis is a ready to go gun for AFL level.

Not trying to slight Daicos actually, who potentially could be the best player of his draft class, just think that he will take slightly longer to adjust to the more physical and faster form of the game than JHF.

Guess you didn't see Josh's game in the VFL this year - also amongst the best in the combined game against the Gee VFL side. After training with the Pies during pre-season and his VFL form it was reported from within the club that if he was available, he would have been in the Pies best side this year. Not much doubt that he'll be in the AFL side for most of the year barring injury.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Guess you didn't see Josh's game in the VFL this year - also amongst the best in the combined game against the Gee VFL side. After training with the Pies during pre-season and his VFL form it was reported from within the club that if he was available, he would have been in the Pies best side this year. Not much doubt that he'll be in the AFL side for most of the year barring injury.

Don't you mean Nick ?

Not disputing his talent or potential, but I don't think it's wrong stating JHF will have more of an immediate impact in his first season in the AFL than Daicos.

 

[Seedsfan]

Don't you mean Nick ?

Not disputing his talent or potential, but I don't think it's wrong stating JHF will have more of an immediate impact in his first season in the AFL than Daicos.

Lol

He would have played round one this year if available and by the time round one comes around next season he would of completed two AFL pre-seasons

 

[Rusty Beam]

Sensible decision by North, to take clearly the outstanding number 1 player and talent in this year's draft. Daicos will likely spend much of next season in the VFL, whereas Horne-Francis is a ready to go gun for AFL level.

Not trying to slight Daicos actually, who potentially could be the best player of his draft class, just think that he will take slightly longer to adjust to the more physical and faster form of the game than JHF.

Jeez you have some insightful takes.

 

[RobJD]

Bet you hardly watched Horne-Francis all year…

I was only responding to your comment about Daics spending much of the time in the VFL - Not sure why I need to watch Horne-Francis to form an opinion on where Daics will be playing!

 

[Rusty Beam]

I was only responding to your comment about Daics spending much of the time in the VFL - Not sure why I need to watch Horne-Francis to form an opinion on where Daics will be playing!

I wasn’t responding to you so not sure if wires have been crossed.

Either way he’s just trying to be a sly troll doing some fishing .

Both will be fine and play plenty of AFL minutes (probably not through the midfield yet though).

 

[Prochard123]

Sensible decision by North, to take clearly the outstanding number 1 player and talent in this year's draft. Daicos will likely spend much of next season in the VFL, whereas Horne-Francis is a ready to go gun for AFL level.

Not trying to slight Daicos actually, who potentially could be the best player of his draft class, just think that he will take slightly longer to adjust to the more physical and faster form of the game than JHF.

This is enough to show that you have no fing idea whatsoever about either players

 

[Sphynx]

I think we will play the same card we did with Thomas.


JHF will play 75% at half forward with some bursts on the wing and midfield, for probably the first two season. Funnily enough Thomas will probably be the one to rotate him with.


I don't think for one minute Horne is moving straight into our midfield. He might not even be a full time midfielder for his career. We have plenty of young genuine center square mids that don't have the versatility that he does.

 

[Rusty Beam]

I think we will play the same card we did with Thomas.


JHF will play 75% at half forward with some bursts on the wing and midfield, for probably the first two season. Funnily enough Thomas will probably be the one to rotate him with.


I don't think for one minute Horne is moving straight into our midfield. He might not even be a full time midfielder for his career. We have plenty of young genuine center square mids that don't have the versatility that he does.

IMO for guys who can be extremely dangerous up forward like JHF and Daicos, it’s not a bad way to develop them.

It’s similar to the way Collingwood developed Dayne Beams before he was ready to step properly into the midfield (which came more through injury opportunity at the time anyway).

 

[barrackers]

I heard today that the Pies haven't (as yet) nominated Youssef Dib. I have liked the little that I've seen of him - is this simply strategic or is there some doubt that he'll be nominated in the draft?

Training photos on nicks show Dib is training with the group, so unlikely to be strategic or not nominated.

Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board :: View topic - Baby Magpies training 22.10.21

Collingwood Football Club supporters' forum featuring the Magpies, the great Australian Rules football team

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[Rusty Beam]

Training photos on nicks show Dib is training with the group, so unlikely to be strategic or not nominated.

Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board :: View topic - Baby Magpies training 22.10.21

Collingwood Football Club supporters' forum featuring the Magpies, the great Australian Rules football team

www.magpies.net

That’s my thoughts.

I think it’s very strategic and there is some smoke and shadows behind the windows going on .

Great photos too. Just wondering who the kid with the black (non pies shorts) is?

I’m guessing it’s Ben Quaynor, who is also part of the NGA, but I’m not 100%. Other than him being Isaac‘s brother and playing at the same junior club (Beverley Hills) I know nothing about him.

 

[Baird]

Hate to say it but Collingwood have yet again dominated trade period

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Am (genuinely) curious as to most Pies fans thoughts on De Goey, who is OOC next season and eligible for free agency?

Salary Cap considerations aside, would you prefer it if the Pies re-signed him or let him go and presumably cash in on band 1 compo ?

Is there any kind of consensus amongst the Collingwood faithful about De Goey ?

Assuming you guys may struggle again next season and his issue with injuries (AFAIK his off field issues are done and dusted and not relevant anymore), is the temptation of possibly getting another top 5 pick in the 2022 draft worth letting JDG go ?

Can see a compelling argument either way (to re-sign De Goey or let him go as a FA)

 

[pugsville]

Am (genuinely) curious as to most Pies fans thoughts on De Goey, who is OOC next season and eligible for free agency?

Salary Cap considerations aside, would you prefer it if the Pies re-signed him or let him go and presumably cash in on band 1 compo ?

Is there any kind of consensus amongst the Collingwood faithful about De Goey ?

Assuming you guys may struggle again next season and his issue with injuries (AFAIK his off field issues are done and dusted and not relevant anymore), is the temptation of possibly getting another top 5 pick in the 2022 draft worth letting JDG go ?

Can see a compelling argument either way (to re-sign De Goey or let him go as a FA)

I for keeping if possible. At his best absolute match winner they are few and far between.

Collingwood is building a reasonable list but we are short of top quality Moore, Grundy, JDG, Daicos (hopefully)

 

[adammania9]

If a club is silly enough to offer him the $900k+ it will take for him to move then he should take it. He's currently on $750k supposedly, and I would expect him to re-sign on a similar amount. That's probably his absolute maximum worth for mine, not worth a cent more.

 

[Prochard123]

Am (genuinely) curious as to most Pies fans thoughts on De Goey, who is OOC next season and eligible for free agency?

Salary Cap considerations aside, would you prefer it if the Pies re-signed him or let him go and presumably cash in on band 1 compo ?

Is there any kind of consensus amongst the Collingwood faithful about De Goey ?

Assuming you guys may struggle again next season and his issue with injuries (AFAIK his off field issues are done and dusted and not relevant anymore), is the temptation of possibly getting another top 5 pick in the 2022 draft worth letting JDG go ?

Can see a compelling argument either way (to re-sign De Goey or let him go as a FA)

It depends on his performance and the exact price.

De Goey can improve further. But at the moment he’s not worth $900k

 

[TheTassieHawk]

Apparently the Pies will be taking 6 picks to the draft and looking to use future picks to trade into some higher 2021 picks following the Daicos bid if they can.

More pick swaps on the way ahead of the draft, says Hine

Collingwood will be one of the most active players in November's draft as it prepares to match a bid for Nick Daicos

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Apparently the Pies will be taking 6 picks to the draft and looking to use future picks to trade into some higher 2021 picks following the Daicos bid if they can.

More pick swaps on the way ahead of the draft, says Hine

Collingwood will be one of the most active players in November's draft as it prepares to match a bid for Nick Daicos

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

So their last 3 picks (58 and beyond) they might trade if someone wants them plus future 3rds if it gets them back in the draft after the bid is matched.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

So their last 3 picks (58 and beyond) they might trade if someone wants them plus future 3rds if it gets them back in the draft after the bid is matched.

Pies should try package those late picks to a club like Brisbane for future picks in next year's draft (Lions needs points for a couple of decent F/S players next draft)

This year's draft hardly bats deep, and they probably should pick up a delisted Free Agent or two instead of wasting a later pick on a player who in all likelihood is very unlikely unlikely have a long AFL career.

Wright is a very pragmatic person, sure he will discuss this with Derek Hine, Pies should really try their hardest for next year's draft with plenty more quality kids, esp from Vic on the table.

 

[Prochard123]

So their last 3 picks (58 and beyond) they might trade if someone wants them plus future 3rds if it gets them back in the draft after the bid is matched.

Pies should try package those late picks to a club like Brisbane for future picks in next year's draft (Lions needs points for a couple of decent F/S players next draft)

This year's draft hardly bats deep, and they probably should pick up a delisted Free Agent or two instead of wasting a later pick on a player who in all likelihood is very unlikely unlikely have a long AFL career.

Wright is a very pragmatic person, sure he will discuss this with Derek Hine, Pies should really try their hardest for next year's draft with plenty more quality kids, esp from Vic on the table.

It depends on whether we trade 36 or not. If we keep 36 and the bid comes in a favourable spot, our 1st live pick would be 48 and not 58 (converting 36, 38, 40, 46 into points to match Daicos bid).

In terms of what is likely to happen, my understanding is that at least pick 36, if not pick 36 + 38 will be traded for future picks prior to the draft.

So something that is a possibility would be:

Pick 36 + Pick 38 + future 3rd for Pick 33 + Adelaide future 2nd

First part of the deal (36 & 38 for 33) is a big loss, but we won't get to use these picks anyways. And in return of the loss in value we get a future 3rd upgraded to a future 2nd.