So what the hell was Goodwin doing?

[Red Bull]

Well, he's obviously correct.

Journos still bring up the Crows camp, even after the story has been discredited and taken down, multiple investigations have shown zero wrong doing, the authors have had to retract their tale, and to this day there's zero evidence anything occured beyond some insensitive use of message sticks.

Different strokes for different folks.

Good to see you have put the camp behind you and moved on

 

[Stabby McGee]

I wonder if his marriage fell apart because he was the secret mastermind behind the Crows camp and his wife had a secret crush on Tex.
Man this story has more layers than the JFK assasination.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Just goes to show what a s**t piece of writing it is. It’s a shame more journalists aren’t being drip fed a non-story by Bartlett.

I don’t particularly care. Could be because he’s secretly a supervillain or more likely it’s one of the millions of other reasons that 1 in 3 marriages end in splitsville.

You seemed adamant that his marriage broke down before his behaviour became erratic, and suggested it was a result of it.

I was curious as to why you think it wasn't vice versa?

 

[PrinceCharles]

Well, he's obviously correct.

Journos still bring up the Crows camp, even after the story has been discredited and taken down, multiple investigations have shown zero wrong doing, the authors have had to retract their tale, and to this day there's zero evidence anything occured beyond some insensitive use of message sticks.

Different strokes for different folks.

lol wat

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Unless the AFL can again short circuit court action, we may find out.

Melbourne Demons crisis: AFL staff and reporters set for court date with Glen Bartlett

Michael Warner

June 28, 2022 - 10:21AM

Football administrators and Supreme Court witness boxes don’t mix.

Twice during the Essendon drugs fiasco, moves to subpoena or cross-examine senior AFL officials (by lawyers for Dr Bruce Reid and Dean “The Weapon” Robinson) resulted in swift out-of-court settlements and the dropping of proceedings like a hot potato.

Footy prefers to resolve its dirtiest integrity disputes in-house, thus avoiding the answering of uncomfortable questions under oath, the filing of damaging affidavits or the discovery of incriminating documents.

The latest AFL imbroglio headed for the courts surrounds the sudden exit of former Melbourne president Glen Bartlett.

In a 2021 season that would see the club go on to win a drought-breaking premiership, Bartlett (lured to take charge of the Dees in 2013 by former AFL boss Andrew Demetriou and his deputy Gillon McLachlan in the wake of the tanking saga) went from being re-elected unopposed in March to “unanimously” deposed by his fellow board members by April.

The reasons behind his murky departure are now at the centre of a defamation action Bartlett has brought against two AFL journalists from The Age and Nine Entertainment, Jake Niall and Caroline Wilson.

And it’s a fair bet several senior Melbourne officials and coaches and at least two AFL supremos will be called to give evidence about the goings on at the club during the tumultuous summer of 2020-21.

Bartlett gave a hint of things to come via an extraordinary press release this month in which he claimed that he had stood down after being thwarted in his fight to keep Melbourne free of “workplace bullying, gambling, harassment and illegal drugs”.

The ex-Demons boss alleged he and his partner had since been subjected to “threats, deceitful conduct and a public campaign to discredit us”.

To those on the outside, they were explosive revelations.

“Did you see the statement that was put out by the former Melbourne president? It is extraordinary,” Adelaide breakfast radio host David Penberthy asked last week.

“Threatening defamation against the entire world, talking about the culture that he was trying to change within the club, talking about how he has had personal threats, talking about how he and his wife have lived in fear - talking about drugs at the club, talking about gambling problems at the club.

“Now, if that was the Adelaide Football Club … the Victorian media would have 300 journos covering it - (but) you can get away with blue murder if you are in the Victorian bubble.”

He’s not wrong.

When details emerged this month of a crisis meeting held last February between McLachlan, AFL commission chairman Richard Goyder, Bartlett and Melbourne vice-president Mohan Jesudason, some media figures seemed more concerned about who had “taped” it than the actual content of the discussion.

But a Queen’s Counsel in a defamation hearing might be more inclined to ask why McLachlan had offered during the meeting to read the riot act to Demons chief executive Gary Pert amid concerns he would “undermine” an investigation into the behaviour of senior coach Simon Goodwin?

Or what McLachlan meant when he said he had told Pert prior to Christmas that this “is the tip of the iceberg”?

Or why he said that if Goodwin was doing something as “obvious and stupid as this … then God knows what else is happening”?

Or why McLachlan had told Pert that it was the “talk of the town”?

What exactly had the AFL boss been hearing that summer and why did it culminate in a meeting between the club and the game’s two most powerful officials?

Goyder told the meeting that if he was the president he would not be waiting any longer to confront Goodwin, describing the matter as “very serious” and “needing serious attention and a rapid response”.

It is unclear what steps, if any, the AFL and its integrity unit took after the meeting.

But Kate Roffey, the board member who replaced Bartlett as Demons president in Round 6 last year, has since declared that she has “no idea” why the AFL was meeting with the club and didn’t even know it had taken place “until I read it in the paper”.

She has previously insisted that Bartlett’s exit was the result of months of “succession planning” - and yet last week, in response to his lengthy statement, it was apparently a “unanimous” decision of the board to ask him to resign - just a month after he had been re-elected by the same directors unopposed.

Melbourne football boss Alan Richardson says the story is “starting to get a little bit laughable”, while Goodwin, who has denied he had any behavioural issues, is urging people to “join the dots and work out where it’s coming from”.
Internal club emails show Bartlett - a workplace lawyer and OH&S specialist - was pushing for the introduction of illicit drug testing for all club leaders on the eve of the 2021 season, a move Pert warned would trigger a mass exodus of staff.

In the end, it was Bartlett and the club’s long-time doctor Zeeshan Arain who were shown the door but plenty of questions are left hanging - and unless another hasty settlement is reached on the Supreme Court steps all involved could soon be asked to pick up a bible and answer them.

A directions hearing is set for July 21.

He learnt all that from his time at Essendon

 

[LBJ6]

Well, he's obviously correct.

Journos still bring up the Crows camp, even after the story has been discredited and taken down, multiple investigations have shown zero wrong doing, the authors have had to retract their tale, and to this day there's zero evidence anything occured beyond some insensitive use of message sticks.

Different strokes for different folks.

The Crows camp was interesting to the football public because it resulted in the internal destruction of your club - from clear favourites on Grand Final day in 2017 to never looking near it again.

This "off season explosive story" resulted in us winning the 2021 premiership. This is why it is a yawn for all and sundry.

Victorians for the most part couldn't give two craps about Adelaide or Port.

 

[evo]

He learnt all that from his time at Essendon

The ABC's 7.30 program has published text message exchanges purporting to be between Goodwin and controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank.

In the texts, from July last year, Goodwin reportedly asks Dank to supply him with "the good stuff" and "good gear."

"Don't forget the good gear mate," Goodwin reportedly writes on a text sent to Dank on July 5, 2012.

 

[Johnny Karate]

You seemed adamant that his marriage broke down before his behaviour became erratic, and suggested it was a result of it.

I was curious as to why you think it wasn't vice versa?

Thanks for your interest.

If the media had no problem with outing Hardwick’s affair I doubt they’d keep schtum on Goodwin being completely off the rails before his marriage broke down. Although I am open to the pressure on him around 19/20 being consuming and putting stress on his marriage.

I draw my conclusions from the known facts and timelines of their occurrence:
1) Goodwin was under extreme pressure for his job in 19/20 (2021 preseason).

2) Goodwin’s marriage broke down during the 2020 hub.

3) Rumours of Goodwin’s ‘bad’ behaviour were discussed during a recorded meeting between Bartlett, Jesudson, McLachlan and Goyder in February 2021.

As I said earlier, if he was actually behaving like Caligula reincarnated, I doubt there would’ve been too many rallying around him to save his job. Onfield results were poor and most fans wanted him gone.

 

[PrinceCharles]

The ABC's 7.30 program has published text message exchanges purporting to be between Goodwin and controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank.

In the texts, from July last year, Goodwin reportedly asks Dank to supply him with "the good stuff" and "good gear."

"Don't forget the good gear mate," Goodwin reportedly writes on a text sent to Dank on July 5, 2012.

Always amazed at the AFL's ability to pretend the past didn't happen.

 

[MisterB]

3) Rumours of Goodwin’s ‘bad’ behaviour were discussed during a recorded meeting between Bartlett, Jesudson, McLachlan and Goyder in December 2021.

Didn't Warner's article state that this meeting occurred in February 2021?

 

[Toump Ass]

What a fn Legend.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Didn't Warner's article state that this meeting occurred in February 2021?

Edited.

 

[Toump Ass]

The ABC's 7.30 program has published text message exchanges purporting to be between Goodwin and controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank.

In the texts, from July last year, Goodwin reportedly asks Dank to supply him with "the good stuff" and "good gear."

"Don't forget the good gear mate," Goodwin reportedly writes on a text sent to Dank on July 5, 2012.

Good gear can mean anything tho can't it? I have many interest and hobbies. Sometimes I call "good gear" a really nice monster tune I've dug up in at a record store, or maybe a very rare vintage hot wheels diecast vehicle I've sourced from my local St. Vincent De Paul op-shop or foraged from a pile of hard rubbish. Could be many things.

That these text messages refer to illicit substances is is pure conjecture on your part, libellous, and frankly insulting.

 

[Tulip]

Or why McLachlan had told Pert that it was the “talk of the town”?

Has anyone else in town heard of this?

 

[netslave]

If betting and drinking beers with the boys nabs you a Premiership, I'm all for it.

 

[nineteen eighty]

What a fn Legend.

Wonder if he had any of the "Good Stuff" that night?

The bloke is a known PED user. Has he ever peddled? Does Bartlett know something that has not yet been made public? Hmmm...

 

[Toump Ass]

Wonder if he had any of the "Good Stuff" that night?

Depends what you mean by "good stuff". Could be the love of a beautiful woman, in which case, I'm sure he did! Nothing better than winding up a bender with a few rounds in the sack!

The bloke is a known PED user.

So what. ASADA regulations only cover athletes. He can take as much PED as he likes when he's coaching.

Has he ever peddled? Does Bartlett know something that has not yet been made public? Hmmm...

Zero evidence he was dealing drugs.
But if you're really interested in finding someone who is selling gear in the AFL, you'd be looking at Dustin Martin, surely?
His dad wasn't even allowed in the country because of his drug trafficking. And he's mates with Sam Fisher!

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

As I said earlier, if he was actually behaving like Caligula reincarnated, I doubt there would’ve been too many rallying around him to save his job.

Why?

His historical rap sheet is awful, yet the AFL boy's club has had no issue keeping him in the industry.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Depends what you mean by "good stuff". Could be the love of a beautiful woman, in which case, I'm sure he did! Nothing better than winding up a bender with a few rounds in the sack!


So what. ASADA regulations only cover athletes. He can take as much PED as he likes when he's coaching.


Zero evidence he was dealing drugs.
But if you're really interested in finding someone who is selling gear in the AFL, you'd be looking at Dustin Martin, surely?
His dad wasn't even allowed in the country because of his drug trafficking. And he's mates with Sam Fisher!

Point 1: "Good Stuff" is his vernacular for PED's. He's on record.

Point 2: Yes I know. An experienced senior coach on how to significantly improve one's performance. Not good optics. But then again, it is the AFL so I shouldn't be surprised should I?!

Point 3: Nice deflection champ.

p.s. When I am referring to drugs, I am only referring to those he is on record as getting caught with. Performance enhancing that is.

 

[Toump Ass]

Point 1: "Good Stuff" is his vernacular for PED's. He's on record.

He's on record saying "good stuff", which is vernacular for lots of things.
I found a copy of Splatter University on VHS in a dumpster. Sold it online for over $100. That's "good stuff" right there.

Not good optics.

Either is Richmond football players punching on outside of a strip joint. Who cares.

p.s. When I am referring to drugs, I am only referring to those he is on record as getting caught with. Performance enhancing that is.

What was he caught with? Where are these records?
I think you're making this all up which is really sad.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Why?

His historical rap sheet is awful, yet the AFL boy's club has had no issue keeping him in the industry.

I’ve already said why and you chose to edit that out. You’re being deliberately obtuse.

Seemingly noone has any real evidence of malfeasance against Goodwin aside from rehashing incidents from 10+ years ago, before he was employed by Melbourne.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I just want to ensure all Melbourne supporters in here that yes, the Dees did win the flag, yes, Goodwin did coach it, no, the flag isn't going anywhere and no, neither is Goodwin.

Glad we got that out of the way.

Back on topic... given the quotes from the AFL's two most senior leaders, think it's fair to ask what the hell Goodwin was doing?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Whatever he was doing worked. This is the thing, any comments from Gil, Bartlett et al about wanting him gone prior to 2021 make them look like absolute deadshits. Roffey and Pert are heroes for backing him to the hilt and being rewarded with a drought breaking flag and topping the ladder halfway through the following season.

Apparently Bartlett is suing The Age, Caro and Jake Niall for defamation - I still haven't seen anything to suggest his defamation suit will be any less frivolous than Avi Yemeni's.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I’ve already said why and you chose to edit that out. You’re being deliberately obtuse.

Seemingly noone has any real evidence of malfeasance against Goodwin aside from rehashing incidents from 10+ years ago, before he was employed by Melbourne.

You haven't answered my question at all.

 

[Biffinator]

This thread needs more shagging.