Wojcinski
Brownlow Medallist
No impact whatsoever hey?Richmond and Adelaide.
Easily determined by watching the games.
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No impact whatsoever hey?Richmond and Adelaide.
Easily determined by watching the games.
Remind which two games did he have no impact whatsoever again?
vs Richmond; 31 touches, 1.1, 5 tackles, 3 clearances, 9 clangers
vs Sydney; 26 touches, 4.3, 4 tackles, 2 clearances, 3 clangers
vs Adelaide; 24 touches, 2.3, 9 tackles, 5 clearances, 3 clangers
I think you're confusing Danger's impact with the result of the game. His overall finals averages are almost exactly the same as his overall h&a averages
I'm not disputing Dusty being better than Danger in finals, but Dusty is 10-2 and Danger 5-8 in that time so would always win the votes. There are probably several Richmond players that get more votes per game in the finals than any Geelong player including Danger
No impact whatsoever hey?
GAS went missing in many finals where he didn't get his team across the line, Dusty was more consistent in finals than GAS.
But GAS has done things many wont ever do -it was a different time then though.
Nope. He was buffered and harassed every time he touched the ball against Richmond. As it’s all about the stats his disposal efficiency was pretty low from memory.
Against Adelaide he had one good quarter (the second) and that was it. Do remember him lying on the ground arms outstretched while Sloan stupidly decided to keep playing the game. Amateur.
Against Richmond, Dangerfield had next to no influence on the game and when the game turned in the second half, he was very quiet and coughed up the ball a lot. Against Adelaide his two goals were when the game was already over. I know that we're grading Dangerfield on a curve and it's a harsh standard, but he's a superstar and superstars are critically important in finals. That final against Richmond was another final where Martin, especially in the second half turned up, which is another reason why Dangerfield's absence was an issue. Geelong won't win against Richmond if Dangerfield is quiet and Martin is on form.
And why do you think the two sides have such records? It's partly because of the records of their two superstars in said matches.
Revisionist history. Dangerfield was named in the best for both of those games so he is hardly the reason Geelong lost (both results were 50+ point blowouts). Danger also kicked his 2 goals in the Adelaide PF in the second quarter, not in the dying stages of the game (it was already over in one sense though since Cats were about 8 goals down). Against Richmond he was 4th in supercoach and vs Adelaide he was 3rd. His disposal efficiency vs Richmond was 45%, obviously poor and 59% vs Adelaide, slightly below his season average.Yeah he was bad. Against Richmond and Adelaide when both sides had their surge to kill off the game, Dangerfield didn't stand up.
For the cats fans here, why is this the case? Is it his teammates not supporting him? Do teams know how to work him out in finals?
I don't know if Geelong would have 3, but they wouldn't have none. I honestly believe if Dusty played for Geelong instead, you'd have a flag.Just ask yourself this, if Dusty and Danger switched teams would Geelong instead have 3 cups and Richmond none?
I can't say if Geelong would have any, but when I look at Dusty's collective home and aways and then subsequent finals performances in 17,19 and 20 I'm not sure we win any of those. His QF second half against Geelong in 2017, his 5 or 6 goals against Brisbane in 2019 QF, his Grand Final against the Cats in 2020, I havent yet seen Danger do that in key finals. Not to mention all his other finals where he was a vote getter.Just ask yourself this, if Dusty and Danger switched teams would Geelong instead have 3 cups and Richmond none?
Revisionist history. Dangerfield was named in the best for both of those games so he is hardly the reason Geelong lost (both results were 50+ point blowouts). Danger also kicked his 2 goals in the Adelaide PF in the second quarter, not in the dying stages of the game (it was already over in one sense though since Cats were about 8 goals down). Against Richmond he was 4th in supercoach and vs Adelaide he was 3rd. His disposal efficiency vs Richmond was 45%, obviously poor and 59% vs Adelaide, slightly below his season average.
You can argue until you blue in the face but I'll always be correct, him having a bad game in a GF doesn't all of a sudden mean he's never played a good final in his life and frankly its bizarre that this thread keeps going down that path.
Just ask yourself this, if Dusty and Danger switched teams would Geelong instead have 3 cups and Richmond none?
I can't say if Geelong would have any, but when I look at Dusty's collective home and aways and then subsequent finals performances in 17,19 and 20 I'm not sure we win any of those. His QF second half against Geelong in 2017, his 5 or 6 goals against Brisbane in 2019 QF, his Grand Final against the Cats in 2020, I havent yet seen Danger do that in key finals. Not to mention all his other finals where he was a vote getter.
Yeah he was bad. Against Richmond and Adelaide when both sides had their surge to kill off the game, Dangerfield didn't stand up.
For the cats fans here, why is this the case? Is it his teammates not supporting him? Do teams know how to work him out in finals?
You must have missed what the person I was quoting said;Firstly, no one has said he's the reason Geelong lost.
And why do you think the two sides have such records? It's partly because of the records of their two superstars in said matches.
Let me just add this, I've said it before in this thread I'm not disputing the fact that Dusty is better than Danger, Dusty is possibly the best finals performer of all time. I just think it's funny that Danger now gets labeled as a finals flop when he clearly isn't. Yes his GF was bad, yes Dusty is better but Danger has been one of Geelong's best in practically every final he has played for us, even the so-called 'flop' games in 2017. One man not named Dustin Martin can't carry an entire team and Danger has been trying for years now.
So going by the AFL.com.au match reports he was named in the Cats bests in 11 of 13 finalsThat's where we fundamentally disagree. No way has he been in our best in every Geelong final he's played. No way at all.
So going by the AFL.com.au match reports he was named in the Cats bests in 11 of 13 finals
2016
QF v Hawthorn; named first best
PF v Sydney; named first best
2017;
QF v Richmond; third best
SF v Sydney; first best
PF v Adelaide; fifth best
2018;
EF v Melbourne; first best
2019;
QF v Collingwood; second best
SF v West Coast; not in bests
PF v Richmond; third best
2020;
QF v Port; third best
SF v Collingwood; first best
PF v Brisbane; third best
GF v Richmond; not in bests
So going by the AFL.com.au match reports he was named in the Cats bests in 11 of 13 finals
2016
QF v Hawthorn; named first best
PF v Sydney; named first best
2017;
QF v Richmond; third best
SF v Sydney; first best
PF v Adelaide; fifth best
2018;
EF v Melbourne; first best
2019;
QF v Collingwood; second best
SF v West Coast; not in bests
PF v Richmond; third best
2020;
QF v Port; third best
SF v Collingwood; first best
PF v Brisbane; third best
GF v Richmond; not in bests
So going by the AFL.com.au match reports he was named in the Cats bests in 11 of 13 finals
2016
QF v Hawthorn; named first best
PF v Sydney; named first best
2017;
QF v Richmond; third best
SF v Sydney; first best
PF v Adelaide; fifth best
2018;
EF v Melbourne; first best
2019;
QF v Collingwood; second best
SF v West Coast; not in bests
PF v Richmond; third best
2020;
QF v Port; third best
SF v Collingwood; first best
PF v Brisbane; third best
GF v Richmond; not in bests
The AFL have got no clue based on this. He was really poor against Richmond in 2017, horrible against Melbourne in 2018, but somehow only our second best in what was clearly his best Final as a midfielder, the Collingwood QF. Terrible again against Port in 2020.
Revisionist history. Dangerfield was named in the best for both of those games so he is hardly the reason Geelong lost (both results were 50+ point blowouts). Danger also kicked his 2 goals in the Adelaide PF in the second quarter, not in the dying stages of the game (it was already over in one sense though since Cats were about 8 goals down). Against Richmond he was 4th in supercoach and vs Adelaide he was 3rd. His disposal efficiency vs Richmond was 45%, obviously poor and 59% vs Adelaide, slightly below his season average.
You can argue until you blue in the face but I'll always be correct, him having a bad game in a GF doesn't all of a sudden mean he's never played a good final in his life and frankly its bizarre that this thread keeps going down that path.
Just ask yourself this, if Dusty and Danger switched teams would Geelong instead have 3 cups and Richmond none?
Let me just add this, I've said it before in this thread I'm not disputing the fact that Dusty is better than Danger, Dusty is possibly the best finals performer of all time. I just think it's funny that Danger now gets labeled as a finals flop when he clearly isn't. Yes his GF was bad, yes Dusty is better but Danger has been one of Geelong's best in practically every final he has played for us, even the so-called 'flop' games in 2017. One man not named Dustin Martin can't carry an entire team and Danger has been trying for years now.
He did that I'd say once - the semi against Sydney in 2017 when he kicked 4. He was excellent in our Prelim loss (along with Selwood) in 2016. But the problem is the good games have been outweighed by bad ones in recent years. I know he kicked 4 against Collingwood this year but they were shot two minutes in - that's not our fault, and you take your wins anyway you can - the Sydney game to me was a far higher performance.