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I'll let the club know.You can still trade back in on the night.
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I'll let the club know.You can still trade back in on the night.
It's so high-concept. Tell me more about "the narrative".You seem unable to understand that teams aren't simply collections of individual talent. Culture, leadership and social bonds all matter to team chemistry. Also, players and player managers follow trends when it comes to staying or leaving clubs. Teams often have ongoing periods of attracting prized recruits or enduring mass exodus. Gold Coast had to get away from the culture of lazy cocaine addicts that they'd previously built up, and trading in Weller helped them do that. Go ask Gold Coast fans how many of them regret the club making that trade.
The Suns would not have traded it without knowing what they could get elsewhere. It's just that no one wants a pick in this draft after 30.Well, now that you put it in question form, I guess not.
"The talent runs out."
As if it's a tap that gets turned off.
If the Suns won't use that pick, they should trade it. The downgrade is still generous.
I still think they need to check on Craig Cameron , in all spots bribery happen .The Suns would not have traded it without knowing what they could get elsewhere. It's just that no one wants a pick in this draft after 30.
I mean we gave away pick 30 for a 32 year old, was it generosity or is there just a fair chance that the player you'd be thinking about will still be available next draft?
After looking at this trade closer, it actually seems pretty close. We obviously get the higher pick, but they get a pick in a less speculative draft.
If Melbourne finish mid tier, as most expect, then it'll be Pick 45 at best. With NGA and academy kids this year, our pick 27 will drift out to around Pick 36 or higher - depending on if other academy kids get bid on earlier than expected. That's a maximum 9 pick difference, where the future pick is in a stronger draft.
Not as bad as a lot are making out here
Im confident it will be within 15 when taking into account access to the best kids of the given poolIf Melbourne finish mid table, there is no way it is only a 9 pick difference. Melbourne finished mid table this year and their 3rd rounder is pick 50. All the free agency compo, etc still needs to be added to next year's draft. Pick 27 this year is unlikely to end up any later than pick 32. I would be shocked if it ends up less than a 15 pick difference - most likely more.
Did you investigate further? I'm convinced.After looking at this trade closer, it actually seems pretty close.
I'm not sure this one is such a bribery red flag. Just another measure of how little we know about any kids in this draft outside rd 1. I trust Wells but if it was me I'm not even sure I'd have made this tradeI still think they need to check on Craig Cameron , in all spots bribery happen .
Plus there's the depth. There's going to be kids who should have gone 2nd round this year showing up in the 3rd round next year because they just didn't get the opportunity to show their abilityIm confident it will be within 15 when taking into account access to the best kids of the given pool
A heap more academy kids this year than next i believe
No harm checking , if a person or club done nothing wrong they have nothing to be afraid of . Eg former Geelong and Essendon coach Thompson , nobody know did criag Cameron receive any give from player managers or from clubs .I'm not sure this one is such a bribery red flag. Just another measure of how little we know about any kids in this draft outside rd 1. I trust Wells but if it was me I'm not even sure I'd have made this trade
The issue with waiting for draft night is teams know we can't use it so they lowball us with future 4th's etc. Or even worse, no one offers us anything and we get nothing for it and have to skip our pick. It would be a huge risk to take in to draft night knowing we can't use it.Pick 33+ in a terrible draft for a pick that most likely is 40-50 in a stronger draft isn't the worst deal of all time. It just doesn't seem like it's the best possible deal they could've done right now.
I just can't believe when it gets to draft night and pick 33 or whatever this pick is on the clock as someone wouldn't have offered a future 2nd rounder or a future 3rd packaged with a future 4th or some other upgrade.
There's always someone who slips down the order and a team willing to trade up.
It's certainly worth asking why the Cats have been the beneficiaries of the Suns willingness to throw away draft capital two years in a row. If I'm going in on conspiracy theories I'd think something like the league making sure the Jeremy Camerondeal got done to appease a big name free agent and GWS then sees the Cats owed a favour and the Suns are told to fulfil it.PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
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Because the bigger problem is this is highlighting just how ridiculous the Suns concessions were. They've been keen to just burn through picks because they've had such a huge haul of talent come in. They are building super team level talent and it's infuriating.
Is terrible trade , some GCS supporters said if you wait until draft night it could be 4th round pick or nothing , the flexibility of mind just not there , how hard to allocate a senior list spot and pick a player at 27.Pick 33+ in a terrible draft for a pick that most likely is 40-50 in a stronger draft isn't the worst deal of all time. It just doesn't seem like it's the best possible deal they could've done right now.
I just can't believe when it gets to draft night and pick 33 or whatever this pick is on the clock as someone wouldn't have offered a future 2nd rounder or a future 3rd packaged with a future 4th or some other upgrade.
There's always someone who slips down the order and a team willing to trade up.
It's certainly worth asking why the Cats have been the beneficiaries of the Suns willingness to throw away draft capital two years in a row. If I'm going in on conspiracy theories I'd think something like the league making sure the Jeremy Camerondeal got done to appease a big name free agent and GWS then sees the Cats owed a favour and the Suns are told to fulfil it.PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
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Because the bigger problem is this is highlighting just how ridiculous the Suns concessions were. They've been keen to just burn through picks because they've had such a huge haul of talent come in. They are building super team level talent and it's infuriating.
In not sure plthe pick swap for Jeremy Sharp was throwing away draft capital either when you consider that pick will be around p15 in a worse draft. Best case they get maybe Archie Perkins after waiting a year to start developing the player? Not sure which I'd takePick 33+ in a terrible draft for a pick that most likely is 40-50 in a stronger draft isn't the worst deal of all time. It just doesn't seem like it's the best possible deal they could've done right now.
I just can't believe when it gets to draft night and pick 33 or whatever this pick is on the clock as someone wouldn't have offered a future 2nd rounder or a future 3rd packaged with a future 4th or some other upgrade.
There's always someone who slips down the order and a team willing to trade up.
It's certainly worth asking why the Cats have been the beneficiaries of the Suns willingness to throw away draft capital two years in a row. If I'm going in on conspiracy theories I'd think something like the league making sure the Jeremy Camerondeal got done to appease a big name free agent and GWS then sees the Cats owed a favour and the Suns are told to fulfil it.PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
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Because the bigger problem is this is highlighting just how ridiculous the Suns concessions were. They've been keen to just burn through picks because they've had such a huge haul of talent come in. They are building super team level talent and it's infuriating.
I don't mind Nick Cox or chapman . I rather use pick 27 on Shannon Neale , Brodie lake and developing them one year earlier than future 3rd round.In not sure plthe pick swap for Jeremy Sharp was throwing away draft capital either when you consider that pick will be around p15 in a worse draft. Best case they get maybe Archie Perkins after waiting a year to start developing the player? Not sure which I'd take
Also, why would the suns be seeking to fulfil some supposed debt to Geelong accrued by GWS?Pick 33+ in a terrible draft for a pick that most likely is 40-50 in a stronger draft isn't the worst deal of all time. It just doesn't seem like it's the best possible deal they could've done right now.
I just can't believe when it gets to draft night and pick 33 or whatever this pick is on the clock as someone wouldn't have offered a future 2nd rounder or a future 3rd packaged with a future 4th or some other upgrade.
There's always someone who slips down the order and a team willing to trade up.
It's certainly worth asking why the Cats have been the beneficiaries of the Suns willingness to throw away draft capital two years in a row. If I'm going in on conspiracy theories I'd think something like the league making sure the Jeremy Camerondeal got done to appease a big name free agent and GWS then sees the Cats owed a favour and the Suns are told to fulfil it.PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
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Because the bigger problem is this is highlighting just how ridiculous the Suns concessions were. They've been keen to just burn through picks because they've had such a huge haul of talent come in. They are building super team level talent and it's infuriating.
They could factor in the academies but I don't think they could foresee the pandemic, it was always going to be pick 27 for pick 15 and that's hard to justify. Obviously they really liked Sharp but to me they did that deal so they knew the pick couldn't be stripped from them this year as it really should.In not sure plthe pick swap for Jeremy Sharp was throwing away draft capital either when you consider that pick will be around p15 in a worse draft. Best case they get maybe Archie Perkins after waiting a year to start developing the player? Not sure which I'd take
Don't know much about Chapman but Cox is a project player. If it's a 2019 choice between Sharp who could impact 2021 or Cox who might impact on like 2022-23 i know who I'd choose if i was the SunsI don't mind Nick Cox or chapman .
Brisbane lost five of their best young players at the end of 2013. Come 2018 they were attracting high quality players like Lachie NealeIt's so high-concept. Tell me more about "the narrative".
I don't think the pandemic has really affected the first round, it's picks after 30 that aren't being valued.They could factor in the academies but I don't think they could foresee the pandemic, it was always going to be pick 27 for pick 15 and that's hard to justify. Obviously they really liked Sharp but to me they did that deal so they knew the pick couldn't be stripped from them this year as it really should.
The AFL implemented a trade ban on their last priority pick next year to prevent them doing something similar.
The rational part of me thinks the Giants stuffed up the Cameron trade giving 2 picks that might be no worse than 2 of the ones they got in.Also, why would the suns be seeking to fulfil some supposed debt to Geelong accrued by GWS?
The Jeremy Camerontrade wasn't even really unbalanced either. It's just Q anon theory extending Q anon theory.PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
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