From all I've read, Hollands is the best talent. Hands down. The ACL will worry them though. Clearly they take both if they get 2 for Crouch.
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Would have been nice going into the game knowing we could win without it affecting our ladder position.
KM is saying Phillips is the best mid in the draft. Was mixing it with Rowell at Oakleigh last year in the finals. More explosive than Serong and a better all round midfielder.
Did you not watch the Hawthorn Essendon game? Same could be said of us.
What you just described was us not going bpa though, roughy was rated a little lower than that, Franklin also had a “poor” championships by his standards. We drafted for position in that draft with our two earliest picks, then Lewis was the best available mid at that point. To be fair to Richmond tambling was an absolute Jet and seen as the better prospect at the time. But obviously hindsight shows differently
His vision and skills are exceptional. It is all about the knee.
Holland was the best talent, a year ago.
a lot can change in a year. There’s no exposed form this year, he mostly played fwd last year so people are only projecting his midfield talent off a small sample (against other 17yo’s) and now has injury history. I would be surprised is he went 1. Could easily slide further too.
Anyone know the highest a player has ever gone in a draft after an ACL? I know Max King was considered the best prospect before he did his and then slid to 4. But that was a very strong draft. Anyone gone higher than 4?
How it was explained to me at the time was Hawthorn's 1st choice was Deledio. However, Richmond took him first, so the Hawks decided to aim for two talls. It was well known that Western Bulldogs wanted Griffin so they weren't a threat to this plan. The only problem was Richmond taking one of the talls at 4. They knew Roughie was in Richmond's sights (as stated by Roughie himself in his book), so they knew they had to select Roughie at 2, and hope Buddy was still on the table at 5.
The other factor I rarely hear mentioned is Hawthorn had lost a number of players, Allan, Jarman, etc, who returned to their home states. Buddy was from WA, a worry that he may play for a few years and then head home, whereas Roughie was a Victorian boy. So this made the option of selecting Roughie first doubly attractive. Ironic in view of events in 2013.
As you say, back at the time I heard a lot of rave reviews about Tambling, less about Buddy, so I wasn't surprised Richmond took him at 4. There was a lot of thought Deledio ad Tambling would go 1,2 in the draft. The belief was Wallace was aiming for a dominant midfield and it worked out well for us. I guess seeing the purported #2 pick still on the table at 4 would have seemed like a bargain. I don't believe Griffin was ever an option for us because, as I said, it was believed he would be gone at 3.
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Phillips is a safe bet. Hollands has more upside. A lot taller and better overhead, more penetration and better foot skills on both sides. Phillips is a bull in tight with great hands. I liken Hollands to Noah Anderson and Phillips being a slightly smaller version of Rowell. Obviously Holland’s has a doubt hanging over his head with the ACL injury. McDonald has great hands but don’t like the way he moves, nowhere near as athletic as JUH. Would prefer Grainger-Barras than McDonald. A backline of DGB, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Day, Hardwick, Impey, Frost and hopefully Kosi would be an exciting set up for many years to come.
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Hollands looks far and above every other player on offer from the video on offer.
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I hope Crows do go a tall first up but always fraught with danger for club and player, as they normally take longer to develop and media love comparisons with early mids that are taken. Lots of recent examples that I don’t need to repeat here.
It's all in here. We took the safe bet in Roughie who we knew Richmond wanted and had intel that they had concerns about Buddy's professionalism to make it in the AFL. Also wasn't Tambling seen a fair bit with Buckenara leading up to the draft? Anyways it says in this article that if Richmond chose Buddy then we would've taken Tambling. Sliding doors moment either way.
Buckenara on the three picks that started Hawthorn's dynasty
Former Hawthorn recruiting manager Gary Buckenara has spoken about the 2005 draft strategies which helped build the foundations for Hawthorn’s modern premiership-winning era.
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We need a Hollands or Bruhn type of player much more than a Phillips.
Hopefully Finn can come in and develop into another big contested mid with some pace as well.
Hopefully Finn can come in and develop into another big contested mid with some pace as well.
Yeah that’s how the story goes. Obviously in hindsight it was a master stroke. But in terms of bpa at the time, nearly every single recruiter had deledio first then tambling and Griffen 2 or 3. We played that draft amazingly but if we went bpa rather than going tall there’s a fair chance we don’t three peat and probably zero chance we win 08
I am here to tell you (and in my mind I know much more than you guys here, and this advice is not remotely self serving either) that with both Mitchell and Worpel doing your clearance work you guys really don't need Phillips
Are you suggesting it is a good year to give up early pick for multiple picks late this year? From memory, we have extra picks this year because last year we did some late pick swaps as well.
No, especially as we have no idea where the Downie bid will come. But you could fluke a star at 60 plus and even with rookie picks.
Or even in the rookie draft if they still have that next year.
I totally agree with this statement. We don't need a Phillips type of player.
I think Phillips is a Sydney type of player.
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Anyone else a little meh about drafting a top end player with a crook knee?? Obviously our medical team will do their due diligence but don’t see too many 18 year olds with ACLs.
Especially if he just did it with no contact/impact
I feel like this would be the year to load up on a few more late picks, try and pluck out the raw underdone kids with great potential etc. Could easily grab some uber talented kids that havn’t had a chance to show much...
While this draft likely increases the likelihood of landing a star at a late pick, all picks are probably worth less on average than in a draft where you have seen the players play and put them through testing. The likelihood of landing a lemon will be a lot higher. The early years of the draft were horrific because players were being selected with very little information at hand. I’d guess we will dry to be in and out of the draft by end of the second round if we can manage it.
There's an opportunity for clubs to move up the draft order this year on account of the number of NGA prospects. I'm hoping we take advantage of this, perhaps simultaneously off-loading a player/s.
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