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NO! You mean the final outcome is what anyone with the slightest bit of logic could see from a mile away?
Traded Adam Treloar [traded with #26, #33 and #42 to Bulldogs for #14 and 2021 R2]
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NO! You mean the final outcome is what anyone with the slightest bit of logic could see from a mile away?
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I’m not. Hope he gets sacked. Again, stop being so dramatic. It’s not the end of the world.Hey, if you're buying what Ned is selling good for you
This trade is an absolute black and white dumpster fire. You have just traded out a very, very good midfielder who bleeds black and white for chump change. It is so bad, it has made me feel sorry for Collingwood supporters and I am not ok about that.
Boy just listened to the Ned Guy interview on Fox Footy...train wreck. Fumbling for excuses and I like that the hosts went hard at him.
Would have been so much better if he had just made some admissions that they didn't get the return they were after for the players that went out, instead of denying it was a fire sale or there are salary cap issues and act as if this was all part of the plan to get into this year's draft to strengthen the list...which is obviously bs.
The other sad thing is Treloar's manager mentioned they only found at a few weeks ago which didn't give them much time to find a new suitor...and same with Stephenson who was caught off guard that he was going to be traded...again he was left scrambling to find a new club. Amateur hour.
Would have been so much better if he had just made some admissions that they didn't get the return they were after for the players that went out, instead of denying it was a fire sale or there are salary cap issues and act as if this was all part of the plan to get into this year's draft to strengthen the list...which is obviously bs.
The other sad thing is Treloar's manager mentioned they only found at a few weeks ago which didn't give them much time to find a new suitor...and same with Stephenson who was caught off guard that he was going to be traded...again he was left scrambling to find a new club. Amateur hour.
Not seen a complete * up like this in recent years.
Asks him if it is a fire sale and tries to make out they gone deep into the draft.
He basically got a bit pick 14 at best and got a weaker list now Trelaoar, Stephenson and Phillips are gone.
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it is though. a player that you paid 2 first round picks to get and paid an obscene salary to, that you had to publicly push out the door for peanuts while still paying 300k for 5 years. all while pretty much badmouthing him publicly.
i cannot think of a more embarrassing trade. ever.
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It was a reaming. A Joan Collins special.
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They basically paid for us to draft JUH as well.
Interesting explanation of Treloar & others
Treloar was due just under $900,000 per annum - a situation caused by repeated back-loading of an original six-year deal, worth more than $700,000 (times six) that he signed when crossed from GWS in 2015.
The Magpies had pushed back that money and eventually renegotiated, but the upshot was that they had to repay Treloar the money that they owed him - we're talking hundreds and thousands - as they sought to recruit and retain other players.
Collingwood was lumbered with a number of contracts from the past. Daniel Wells and Chris Mayne had been recruited as free agents in 2016 on contracts that were well over their output and market worth. Mason Cox was due more than $500,000 and yet unable to cement a permanent spot. Ben Reid, a veteran who had been signed on a long-term deal several years earlier, was another whose deal had been pushed into the future and then came home to roost.
And then there was the most egregious deal, the re-purchase of Dayne Beams from Brisbane on a four-year deal. Collingwood lost not only valuable cap space but draft picks in the Beams debacle.
Pies rip off the Band-Aid, expose very raw wounds
Collingwood's fire sale can be likened to a bad debt that accumulated interest and compound interest until it could no longer be carried and had to be repaid, all at once.
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This has got to be the biggest list management mismanagement I've seen since we got done for Cap cheating.
Collingwood intentionally entered agreements to backend deals with blokes, then signed up Grundie to a massive deal, with the intent of pushing those backended blokes out in defiance of the deal.
Then no-one even bothered to tell Treloar or Stephenson (both of whom were as soon as a few days ago, singing the praises of the club) that they were on the table?
Holy *. How on earth does the Coach or Admin look those players in the face again?
And this isnt even a troll. Im legit here. If I was a pies fan I'd be ******* furious at the mismanagement here.
Kudos to the Dogs, they get a gun for dirt cheap. But what the actual * just happened here? How can their management keep their jobs after this shemozzle?
Collingwood intentionally entered agreements to backend deals with blokes, then signed up Grundie to a massive deal, with the intent of pushing those backended blokes out in defiance of the deal.
Then no-one even bothered to tell Treloar or Stephenson (both of whom were as soon as a few days ago, singing the praises of the club) that they were on the table?
Holy *. How on earth does the Coach or Admin look those players in the face again?
And this isnt even a troll. Im legit here. If I was a pies fan I'd be ******* furious at the mismanagement here.
Kudos to the Dogs, they get a gun for dirt cheap. But what the actual * just happened here? How can their management keep their jobs after this shemozzle?
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They are furious, I have been looking at their board.
Furthermore, I think all afl fans should be able to file a suit against the assault to our intelligence that we had to experience watching that Ned Guy interview on trading day on foxtel tonight.
That was a real life horror show of incompetence and disrespect no human should bare!!!
Interesting explanation of Treloar & others
Treloar was due just under $900,000 per annum - a situation caused by repeated back-loading of an original six-year deal, worth more than $700,000 (times six) that he signed when crossed from GWS in 2015.
The Magpies had pushed back that money and eventually renegotiated, but the upshot was that they had to repay Treloar the money that they owed him - we're talking hundreds and thousands - as they sought to recruit and retain other players.
Collingwood was lumbered with a number of contracts from the past. Daniel Wells and Chris Mayne had been recruited as free agents in 2016 on contracts that were well over their output and market worth. Mason Cox was due more than $500,000 and yet unable to cement a permanent spot. Ben Reid, a veteran who had been signed on a long-term deal several years earlier, was another whose deal had been pushed into the future and then came home to roost.
And then there was the most egregious deal, the re-purchase of Dayne Beams from Brisbane on a four-year deal. Collingwood lost not only valuable cap space but draft picks in the Beams debacle.
Pies rip off the Band-Aid, expose very raw wounds
Collingwood's fire sale can be likened to a bad debt that accumulated interest and compound interest until it could no longer be carried and had to be repaid, all at once.www.theage.com.au
Says it all doesn't it?
Wells - Was never worth a 3 year contract on decent coin given his age and injury history. Only played 15 games for Collingwood. Pointless.
Mayne - Has played a bit of a role lately but still not the kind of player worth a 4 year, $500k contract.
Beams - Absolute disaster that was forseeable. Gave up 2 x first rounders too.
Sounds like Phillips & Cox are getting heavily inflated contracts for their output. They're $350-400k type players not $500+. Sounds like even Stephenson is getting overpaid for a 3rd year player.
Grundy arguably overs since they should have been able to retain below market rate.
Just so, so bad.
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No, I’m just disappointed
If you hadn’t mismanaged your TPP, you wouldnt have traded three good players for 25c on the dollar.
Yep not only are some of the contracts being handed out horrendous, the treatment of players has been equally poor which will hurt the culture.
Treloar's manager said they only found out Collingwood wanted to trade him 3-4 weeks ago...he basically said that wasn't enough time to properly find a new club since they're way down the track with other players by that point...so it was stressful and they couldn't find many legitimate suitors.
Stephenson also spoke of his surprise to hear from his manager a few weeks ago he's likely getting traded...signed an extension only earlier this year and said he thought things were going fine. Again he was left scrambling to find a new club. To top it off he said no one from the club contacted him, he had to call Buckley to ask what was going on.
Really poor way to treat 2 players who recently signed extensions and wanted to stay.
This shitshow makes me worried....
That Eddie will make Graham Wright a godfather offer, and we will lose one of the best list managers going around.
That Eddie will make Graham Wright a godfather offer, and we will lose one of the best list managers going around.
Your mob got Phillips for pick 65! And it wasn’t like the time with Scully where he was physically cooked/perceived as such.
Only loser here is Collingwood. It’s beautiful.
Collingwoods list manager needs to get sacked first Stephenson and now Treloar all for peanuts
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He would offer it to Dodoro.
- Sep 14, 2005
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Well you traded an early second rounder for Chris Yarran, how did that work out for you?
I remember you trading out your #2 pick, Ottens, to the Cats. What happened there?
Thats just two...
We gave up around pick 18ish for yarran and unfortunately didn’t know his drug issues at the time, hardly embarrassing.
As for Ottens he was out of contract and wanted to leave and we got 2 first rd picks for him, that those picks were busts has nothing to do with the actual trade of Ottens which on the surface was as good an outcome as we were going to get.
Got anymore? Maybe one where we sold the farm to get in, back ended his contract that forced us into getting rid of the player who was arguably in our top 5 players with 5 years remaining on his contract for a packet of chips? The kicker of course is paying a portion of the players contract for the next 5 years.
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I would be more so rapt for Trelore really, deserves it.
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He was with your club I'm led to believe once.
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