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Given we've got six years of Sexy Tim strutting his stuff in the wings, i figure a separate thread is needed to unpack the mans career in Blue and Gold
It was fairly universal on here that for what we paid (Greatest points value trade in AFL history, equivalent of pick 1) that the acquisition of Kelly would need to deliver a flag for it to judged a success, and have the ballsy gamble of selling the farm to obtain him pay off.
Now that the picks are basically finalized, feel free to jump in here someone if i'm wrong, it looks like the total trade off was.
Kelly, 52 and 52 (2020 pick currently)
For
Pick 13, 14, 24 & 37
(With hopefully that pick 13 being pushed as far back as possible on draft night due to academy and F/S bids this year)
Here's a good statistical breakdown article on the trade, and what it immediately did to our premiership chances at the time
Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a basket case where nuffs come in to vent about him whenever he plays a s**t game, but rather unpacking each individual season as a whole on it's completion. Players form dips and picks up over the course of a whole year, plus no doubt clutch performances in finals change peoples perspectives even further. There's no need for everyone to ride the rollercoaster week in week out after a win/loss.
Fans were in for the rudest of rude shocks when reality dawned on them in round 2, that just because we have Tim Kelly doesn't instantly mean our midfield, or team in general, is unstoppable after it was annihilated by a hungrier Gold Coast outfit at for the season resumption in round 2. Gold Coast finished 14th on the ladder.
Given this year was A s**t show and a total write off with reduced minutes, it's hard to compare Kelly's 2020 statistically to his past 2 seasons in the hoops.
2020 Averages : 20 disposals, 8.8 contested, 4.2 tackles, 4.1 clearances, 4.1 inside 50's, 4.1 score involvements, 3.4 clangers, 4.8 turnovers and 364 metres gained.
These are naturally down across the board, with his most telling drop off being his scoreboard impact. He went from being a goal a game player to kicking 5 for the year at an average of 0.3 a game. Disappointing, considering a adding goal kicking midfielder was one of the biggest things fans would've been bullish about going into the season.
His best game in the wings came in the now famous win against St Kilda in round 17. With our backs up against the wall, a fairly depleted side full of West Coast Youngsters, surprisingly rallied from 2 goals down halfway through the final quarter to run over the top of their opponents. Kelly, along with Naitanui took control of this game when it mattered securing us a vital 4 points and keeping the top 4 dream alive. Kelly's flying shot at goal between a couple saints players in the last quarter was the image we all had in mind when we sat in isolation for 2 months praying the footy would return so we could watch our new king.
It was Kelly's best outing by a considerable margin. The only game this season where he hit the 30 disposal mark, and finished with cool 180 ranking points.
Overall however, I'd say 2020 was his poorest season at the highest level. Would your average West Coast supporter expect more from an elite recruit? Probably.
I posted the comparison between grand final hero yet unheralded mid Sheed and Kelly before he was recruited, and statistically there wasn't a huge amount separating them.
i'll do the same again now for everyone to compare to Kelly's averages above, the theme seems to have continued.
Sheed 2020 : 19.8 disposals, 9.7 contested, 2.4 tackles, 5 clearances, 2.8 inside 50's, 3.6 score involvements, 4.4 turnovers, 1.2 one percenters and 265 metres gained.
Sheed had twice as many one percenters as Kelly did this year. Dom also kicked 3 extra goals whilst playing less games.
Considerations have to be made for the time it takes adjusting to a new team, in a new (albeit home) state. History suggests recruits take a fair bit of time to adjust when they join the side, with Jetta and Redden being the most recent example.
Supporters might be concerned with Kelly's inability to break a tag. Demonstrated in the elimination final where he was shutdown by Greenwood for his lowest disposal return (12) of the season, in the biggest game of the year. Not blessed with the stoppage explosiveness of Shuey and Yeo, or the endurance of Gaff, it's going to be interesting to see how a player of Kelly's attributes deals with tags in the future. A silver lining to his final's performance, was that he laid 8 tackles, which equaled his season high. The intent was there.
I think everyone is expecting him to continue to build on his first season, as he adjusts back to a normal life in his home state and finds his groove in this team.
Regardless, the tally stands as 1/6 at this point.
2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 = ?
It was fairly universal on here that for what we paid (Greatest points value trade in AFL history, equivalent of pick 1) that the acquisition of Kelly would need to deliver a flag for it to judged a success, and have the ballsy gamble of selling the farm to obtain him pay off.
Now that the picks are basically finalized, feel free to jump in here someone if i'm wrong, it looks like the total trade off was.
Kelly, 52 and 52 (2020 pick currently)
For
Pick 13, 14, 24 & 37
(With hopefully that pick 13 being pushed as far back as possible on draft night due to academy and F/S bids this year)
Here's a good statistical breakdown article on the trade, and what it immediately did to our premiership chances at the time
What the Tim Kelly Trade Means For West Coast (and Geelong)
Not since 2007's show stopping Chris Judd to Carlton trade has the AFL witnessed such a seismic player swap as October’s Tim Kelly to West Coast extravaganza. What sparked this trade was the Kelly’s fierce desired return to his home state.
www.statsinsider.com.au
Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a basket case where nuffs come in to vent about him whenever he plays a s**t game, but rather unpacking each individual season as a whole on it's completion. Players form dips and picks up over the course of a whole year, plus no doubt clutch performances in finals change peoples perspectives even further. There's no need for everyone to ride the rollercoaster week in week out after a win/loss.
Fans were in for the rudest of rude shocks when reality dawned on them in round 2, that just because we have Tim Kelly doesn't instantly mean our midfield, or team in general, is unstoppable after it was annihilated by a hungrier Gold Coast outfit at for the season resumption in round 2. Gold Coast finished 14th on the ladder.
Given this year was A s**t show and a total write off with reduced minutes, it's hard to compare Kelly's 2020 statistically to his past 2 seasons in the hoops.
2020 Averages : 20 disposals, 8.8 contested, 4.2 tackles, 4.1 clearances, 4.1 inside 50's, 4.1 score involvements, 3.4 clangers, 4.8 turnovers and 364 metres gained.
These are naturally down across the board, with his most telling drop off being his scoreboard impact. He went from being a goal a game player to kicking 5 for the year at an average of 0.3 a game. Disappointing, considering a adding goal kicking midfielder was one of the biggest things fans would've been bullish about going into the season.
His best game in the wings came in the now famous win against St Kilda in round 17. With our backs up against the wall, a fairly depleted side full of West Coast Youngsters, surprisingly rallied from 2 goals down halfway through the final quarter to run over the top of their opponents. Kelly, along with Naitanui took control of this game when it mattered securing us a vital 4 points and keeping the top 4 dream alive. Kelly's flying shot at goal between a couple saints players in the last quarter was the image we all had in mind when we sat in isolation for 2 months praying the footy would return so we could watch our new king.
It was Kelly's best outing by a considerable margin. The only game this season where he hit the 30 disposal mark, and finished with cool 180 ranking points.
Overall however, I'd say 2020 was his poorest season at the highest level. Would your average West Coast supporter expect more from an elite recruit? Probably.
I posted the comparison between grand final hero yet unheralded mid Sheed and Kelly before he was recruited, and statistically there wasn't a huge amount separating them.
i'll do the same again now for everyone to compare to Kelly's averages above, the theme seems to have continued.
Sheed 2020 : 19.8 disposals, 9.7 contested, 2.4 tackles, 5 clearances, 2.8 inside 50's, 3.6 score involvements, 4.4 turnovers, 1.2 one percenters and 265 metres gained.
Sheed had twice as many one percenters as Kelly did this year. Dom also kicked 3 extra goals whilst playing less games.
Considerations have to be made for the time it takes adjusting to a new team, in a new (albeit home) state. History suggests recruits take a fair bit of time to adjust when they join the side, with Jetta and Redden being the most recent example.
Supporters might be concerned with Kelly's inability to break a tag. Demonstrated in the elimination final where he was shutdown by Greenwood for his lowest disposal return (12) of the season, in the biggest game of the year. Not blessed with the stoppage explosiveness of Shuey and Yeo, or the endurance of Gaff, it's going to be interesting to see how a player of Kelly's attributes deals with tags in the future. A silver lining to his final's performance, was that he laid 8 tackles, which equaled his season high. The intent was there.
I think everyone is expecting him to continue to build on his first season, as he adjusts back to a normal life in his home state and finds his groove in this team.
Regardless, the tally stands as 1/6 at this point.