Analysis Does Venables remind anyone else of Judd?

[porttoport]

Yup, saw that and thought he was the next Shuey. Then there was the whole 2018 season... different level at AFL. Maybe he just needs some confidence, however we've seen it translate for Ryan and Rioli so I'm hoping it's a maturity thing and next year he'll have more confidence.

DV WAFL CAREER OVERVIEW (LEAGUE)
Games Played
In his career
10
Goals
In his career
9
Kicks
In his career
70
Handballs
In his career
58
Marks
In his career
32
Tackles
In his career
25
Hitouts
In his career
0
Disposals
In his career
128


This is league form in WAFL , average would be a very generous view


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[WCErevival]

DV WAFL CAREER OVERVIEW (LEAGUE)
Games Played
In his career
10
Goals
In his career
9
Kicks
In his career
70
Handballs
In his career
58
Marks
In his career
32
Tackles
In his career
25
Hitouts
In his career
0
Disposals
In his career
128


This is league form in WAFL , average would be a very generous view


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

DV WAFL CAREER OVERVIEW (LEAGUE)
Games Played
In his career
10
Goals
In his career
9
Kicks
In his career
70
Handballs
In his career
58
Marks
In his career
32
Tackles
In his career
25
Hitouts
In his career
0
Disposals
In his career
128


This is league form in WAFL , average would be a very generous view


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Basically the same as SPPs WAFL stats

 

[sey666]

DV WAFL CAREER OVERVIEW (LEAGUE)
Games Played
In his career
10
Goals
In his career
9
Kicks
In his career
70
Handballs
In his career
58
Marks
In his career
32
Tackles
In his career
25
Hitouts
In his career
0
Disposals
In his career
128


This is league form in WAFL , average would be a very generous view


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Don't you Port fans have more important things to talk about like swimming and ****?

 

[Big Cox 88]

How much longer can Venables be debated?

 

[jatz14]

How much longer can Venables be debated?

For evvvveeerrr

 

[ghostbat12]

I guess there is a bit of resemblance

 

[beatlesmith]

He reminds me of Elliot Yeo when he first arrived - flashes of brilliance and midfield potential but lacking in maturity, consistency and endurance.

Yeo would have those patches early on where he'd be put into the middle and would make things happen from limited touches but seemed unable to string it together for longer than half a quarter. Venables has flashed this ability to make an impact but similarly struggles to impact consistently.

In the Round 20 derby he had 5 clearances (equal team best), including 4 centre clearances from 12 touches. I also thought he was extremely impressive in the Prelim.

Yeo took years to become a gun midfielder. Most wrote off his ability to ever become one.

Venables requires patience. That doesn't mean gifting him games if he isn't playing his role, but it does mean not jumping up and down because he isn't the player that we want him to be at the time that we want him to be it.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

No, he moves like Shuey but plays like Caddy at Richmond, which is two big ticks. Both currently are guns, if he can play the Caddy role, that would be massive for the side.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

No, he moves like Shuey but plays like Caddy at Richmond, which is two big ticks. Both currently are guns, if he can play the Caddy role, that would be massive for the side.

Doesnt have Caddys marking power but hes quicker,a better tackler, better kick for goal and ultimately will be a better player.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Doesnt have Caddys marking power but hes quicker,a better tackler, better kick for goal and ultimately will be a better player.

Caddy is pretty good so WC coaches will be happy if that's the case.

 

[paran]

I guess there is a bit of resemblance

DV, not VD!

 

[paran]

Right, glad we cleared that up. Shall we agree to disagree? Let's move on and let time be the decider.

For the record I hope you're right!

 

[avishka5]

Not a fan of dropping kids that are entrenched in the 22 to the 2's but I actually wouldn't mind seeing him start the year off playing a few reserves games in the midfield. It should improve his overall production.

 

[The Stid]

Don't you Port fans have more important things to talk about like swimming and ****?

Or the next Klan rally.

 

[Dylan82]

As some may be aware from other threads, I've long considered Venables to be comparable to Dangerfield at a similar age since before he was drafted.

Comparing anyone to Judd is unrealistic and unfair as he is a once in a generation player.

Let's not forget also he was about as close as it gets for guaranteed success from draft picks:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2010-06-29/top-marks-for-class-of-01

The player who cast the greatest shadow over the 2001 carnival was Vic Metro captain Chris Judd, who as a junior footballer had a national reputation as a midfielder with a strong will and feet like twin jets.

For his team’s first game against WA at the MCG Judd lined up in the uncustomary position of centre half-back.

Vic Metro coach David Dickson said the idea was that his captain would damage WA’s morale by running off its gun key forward, Graham Polak.

Judd streamed forward twice in the opening quarter, only to miss both shots from 20m out. Vic Metro won easily. When the team went back to its digs at Melbourne Grammar, Judd asked Dickson if he could go on to the oval to practise goal-kicking.

“I’d never had that before, a player wanting to practice after playing a game,” Dickson said.

In 2000, when Judd was a bottom-age player at under-18 level, he popped a shoulder and had an operation to tighten it up. In the first quarter of Vic Metro’s second game in 2001 against South Australia at Shell Stadium in Geelong, he went to ground in what seemed innocuous fashion and popped his other shoulder.

Dickson said Judd was held in such high esteem by his teammates that the sight of him in agonising pain at half time silenced the room.

After the match, Vic Metro players were delighted when Judd returned from a Geelong hospital to join them on the bus back to Melbourne. He didn’t play again for the season.​

The only reason he didn't go #1 was due to having major surgeries on both shoulders before turning 18, in combination with a draft that displayed competing elite talent in Hodge and Ball. Those top 3 picks of the 2001 draft played in a cumulative 10 grand finals and 6 premierships between them.

As for Judd, he infamously played a solitary match for East Perth and was onto greater things. He remains without question the most talented 18 year old player that I have ever seen. His highlights from that WAFL match still make my hair stand on end today.

• In his first season he kicked 21 goals and won the AFLPA Best First Year Player Award.
• In his second season he kicked 29 goals, averaged 18 disposals, polled 12 Brownlow votes and finished runner-up for the Club Champion Award [now John Worsfold Medal].
• In his third season he polled 30 votes, winning the Brownlow medal at 21. He won the Club Champion Award that year also and remains the youngest player to have won it.
• By his 5th season, at the age of 23 he became the youngest player to have won both Brownlow and Norm Smith medals and be a premiership captain.

I think people forget just how ridiculously good Judd was.


Now Venables, granted, has one over Judd in becoming a premiership player at 19; however he would need to win the Brownlow next season to keep up with Judd's heroics.

This is where Dangerfield is a far more conducive point of comparison.

• Both were picked outside of the outstanding midfield prospects for their respective drafts [#10 and #13].
• Both missed their first seasons of AFL. Dangerfield controversially remained in Victoria studying during his first year on Adelaide's list (only playing two games) and Venables suffered recurrent foot injuries.
• Both played as specialist forwards when they broke into the team, not gaining much in the way of possession.
• Each display a ferocious approach to tackling in combination with being able to accelerate away from packs.

Compare the two players' second years (2009 and 2018) against each other:


Indeed it is not for a further three seasons (his 5th in 2012) that Dangerfield starts to average over 20 disposals per game. It is at that point he emerges as a future star of the competition and gains his first All-Australian selection.

I feel Venables will take a similar development path. He will remain a low-disposal forward specialist until he gains the aerobic capacity to be able to contest more stoppages. Once that happens, it will appear to rest of the competition as if he has arrived overnight from out of nowhere, having a massive impact.

He may take his time to develop, but Venables is very much a serious talent that will be key to our further success in seasons to come.

 

[Cuzz09]

Lets be serious. I love Venners but Dangerfield and Judd s**t all over him.

If he can improve each year over the next 3-4 then he'll be great to watch.

 

[FKASC]

delete plz

 

[The Passenger]

His hairline reminds me of Shannon Hurn.

Which reminds me of Chris Judd....

 

[dodgie]

These highlights are honestly better than I was expecting.



The most exciting thing about them though, is that I think his most impressive highlights is his work in traffic suggesting he will become a gun midfielder (a man can dream right). It's missing my favourite play of his in the grandfinal though, where he fended off one player and broke the tackle (and I think hand) of another to push the ball forward.

 

[Cuzz09]

Great highlights. He attacks the ball and the man with the ball which is what you want.

 

[Chris_6678]

That burst from a stoppage during the GC game in those highlights show how much he is like Shuey.

There is a lot to like about Venables and only needs to increase his output and we have a more than capable mid going forward.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

You want talented footballers but you also want tough footballers.They are not always the same person.He is!

 

[flamingEMBERS]

i think people are confusing he that he's as good as Judd with he plays a similar style to Judd.

 

[ghostbat12]

i think people are confusing he that he's as good as Judd with he plays a similar style to Judd.

Yes - because it’s much more fun and it trolls visitors to our board.

Have to admit, my post about about similar looks to Chris Judd (the actor banging Jennifer Lopez) is underrated.

Makes me feel unloved at lack of likes. Not even cm9000.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

He has the ingredients to be a very good midfielder, just needs to get his hands on the ball more. No doubt he'll get there in time.