Martin Crowe would be in the conversation.Who have NZ ever had that would be better than Kane?
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Martin Crowe would be in the conversation.Who have NZ ever had that would be better than Kane?
Ohhh, if only he was Travis' Dad.Will lose his s**t unless you call him Sir Richard, though.
Martin Crowe was brilliant to watch. Mark Waugh-esqueMartin Crowe would be in the conversation.
Wasim Akram said he was the toughest batsman he ever bowled to.Martin Crowe was brilliant to watch. Mark Waugh-esque
Mate, he was out earlier - he got an edge early on his innings against Cummins IIRC, Smith appealed no one else did. Replays showed he nicked the ball.Vegeta and Barlos Crathwaite
Good to see your discussion go from antagonistic to calmer and reasonable, goodonya both (even if it was thread-distracting at times). Kudos.
Fwiw, my take on Williamson is that he's world-class; any Test side would welcome him with open arms (especially the Poms, who looooove 'recruiting' Internationals to claim as their own, lol). He gives himself that little bit of extra time to play the ball by playing so late, always in line and often right under his eyes, and always looks like he has time to change his shot/s which is the hallmark of a great batsman. I wish we had a #5 or #6 of his calibre.
Yeah, I'm dreamin' , but we're doing really well with out Top 4 as is; I shouldn't be so greedy.
In the last Test, he didn't look like getting out until Smith's screamer intercepted his glide through third slip,
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(nothing 'DROP' about that! ) and the ball from Lyon that jumped and turned on him so much would've dismissed many. BOUNCE got him, as it did several batsmen from both sides.
Vice versa, really.Martin Crowe was brilliant to watch. Mark Waugh-esque
Just trying to help out the young 'unsVice versa, really.
When Martin Crowe died they put up test batting stats from when he made 188 against the Windies in Georgetown in 1985 as a 22 year old, and came of age, (as he had played 20 test and batted 33 times for only 902 runs), until the 1992 World Cup and he was on top of that list of 10 batsmen for the highest test averages for that 7 year period April 1985 to February 1992. I think he scored the 2nd or 3rd most hundreds on that list.Who have NZ ever had that would be better than Kane?
Career | Span | Mat | Inns | NO | Runs | HS | Ave | BF | SR | 100 | 50 | 0 | 4s | 6s | |
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unfiltered | 1982-1995 | 77 | 131 | 11 | 5444 | 299 | 45.36 | 12190 | 44.65 | 17 | 18 | 9 | 659 | 27 | |
filtered | 1985-1992 | 39 | 65 | 9 | 3303 | 299 | 58.98 | 7343 | 44.98 | 12 | 10 | 3 | 377 | 8 |
You sound far too logical to be posting here lolMaybe Williamson's not as good as you think, but not as bad as he thinks?
This site has him at #1 (batsman)
Same mob have him at #7 of NZ's all-time best.
Yep, each to their own. "Best" is totally subjective, except maybe for Bradman who was head and shoulders the best batsman of all time. If I could time-travel, I'd go watch him bat.
(hey, what would you do, if you could time-travel? Please visit:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...thread-what-if-you-could-time-travel.1233542/ )
Yeah, saw that. Lucky, for sure, but NOT out. Doesn't count. Look in the book.Mate, he was out earlier - he got an edge early on his innings against Cummins IIRC, Smith appealed no one else did. Replays showed he nicked the ball.
EfaYeah, saw that. Lucky, for sure, but NOT out. Doesn't count. Look in the book.
Umpire's fault, not his.
He was unbelievable. Late swing and genuine pace. I thought Adam Milne might challenge his status but he seems to be off the park more often than not unfortunatelyIt’s not exactly a revelation to anyone that watched him but with a full career Shane Bond had the potential to be their best player, or bowler at least (Hadlee had the bonus of being handy with the bat).
I once read that the hallmark of Dale Steyn’s quality was the fact that he could do everything James Anderson could, but 15km/h faster. That epitomises bond as well. And at a time when Australia’s one day side was supreme, Bond was the one bowler I can remember who genuinely had their number
44 wickets in 17 games at 15.
THAT is how good he was.
It’s not exactly a revelation to anyone that watched him but with a full career Shane Bond had the potential to be their best player, or bowler at least (Hadlee had the bonus of being handy with the bat).
I once read that the hallmark of Dale Steyn’s quality was the fact that he could do everything James Anderson could, but 15km/h faster. That epitomises bond as well. And at a time when Australia’s one day side was supreme, Bond was the one bowler I can remember who genuinely had their number
44 wickets in 17 games at 15.
THAT is how good he was.
That's why punter is a legend. Did the job for almost twenty years. Imagine being so consistent at the highest level that your country can rely on you for TWO decades? On ya punterYeah he was good, but he didn’t have longevity.
Adam Voges is statistically one of the best test batsmen of all time.
Sample size matters.
Yeah he was good, but he didn’t have longevity.
Adam Voges is statistically one of the best test batsmen of all time.
Sample size matters.
He was dog s**t when it actually counted butYeah he was good, but he didn’t have longevity.
Adam Voges is statistically one of the best test batsmen of all time.
Sample size matters.
I get what you mean .
Surely no one here is even slightly suggesting Smith is in a slump or struggling? He's just not making huge runs at the moment. Is BF really that fickle that it turns on cricket's best player if he doesn't score a ton every innings? I hope notMany posters have rightly pointed out with annoyance and frustration that Travis Head gets himself in if not somewhat streakily, then gets himself out, usually flashing at something wide.
Comments re: Smith suggest he's in a form 'slump', or doesn't like waiting to bat, but I've seen him get out 4 times recently (once in the WC) pulling the ball between backward square and mid-wicket. What's more, he's not caught deep in the field, so it's not as if he's connected well with the ball.
I don't think it's a form 'slump', or due to waiting to bat --- the man has plenty of credits and could have TWO Warner-Ashes-series failures before even being considered to be dropped --- but isn't it either poor shot selection or execution?
I'm surprised he hasn't done a Steve Waugh and put that shot away.
Anybody?
Smith admitted himself that:Surely no one here is even slightly suggesting Smith is in a slump or struggling? He's just not making huge runs at the moment. Is BF really that fickle that it turns on cricket's best player if he doesn't score a ton every innings? I hope not
Crowe, Taylor, Bond and Hadlee?Who have NZ ever had that would be better than Kane?
I wonder how if you should just turn the telly off when NZ play. Obviously you don't rate them. Why do we need to hear about it every match?Crowe, Taylor, Bond and Hadlee?