Rumour GFC 2017 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT2

[catswhiskers]

Few ooc players that haven't been offered a new contract by their clubs. Wouldn't mind any of these 3 at least for depth if they don't re-sign.

Ben Lennon
Trent McKenzie
Josh Green (exactly what we need imo)

If we had known McCarthy and Gregson were going down and Cockatoo was to be proppy , we probably would have picked up Green rather than Black.
Green can play and is the right type but the boat has sailed. JJones is still a chance and we should bring in another small forward at the draft.

A friend who watches a lot of Hawthorn games and who is usually close to the money reckons Stewart (from Hawks) is the best pressure forward DFA around in that category.
Anyone know much about Stewart?

 

[catempire]

Remind me why people have Parsons as a rookie upgrade? Is that necessary at this time?

 

[CatTricks]

Remind me why people have Parsons as a rookie upgrade? Is that necessary at this time?

yep. He's had 3 years on the rookie list if I remember correctly.
Upgrade or delist time.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Sam collins worth it..? H replacement at fullback.

 

[year of the cat]

yep. He's had 3 years on the rookie list if I remember correctly.
Upgrade or delist time.

Was drafted Nov 2015. Think he'll be upgraded regardless.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Parsons upgrade at p 108 simples.

 

[catempire]

Was drafted Nov 2015. Think he'll be upgraded regardless.

What’s the thinking there? Isn’t it better to keep him as a rookie? I think we did for Blicavs for memory.

 

[cats_09]

Remind me why people have Parsons as a rookie upgrade? Is that necessary at this time?

From earlier this year:

Menegola and Parsons both signed three-year deals, anchoring the pair at the club until at least the end of 2020.

I'm assuming part of the deal was that he was upgraded come draft night

 

[MelbCat]

So after the trade period it appears we have had one massive salery cap dump with very little coming in.
Does this mean we go into the 2018 trade period with a rebuild in mind or do we chase the bigger better fish that`s available? I believe there are some guns available.

 

[catempire]

From earlier this year:

Menegola and Parsons both signed three-year deals, anchoring the pair at the club until at least the end of 2020.

I'm assuming part of the deal was that he was upgraded come draft night

Not necessarily if we don’t have to. I think there was a change in the rookie rules a few years back where you could pay rookies above the grade and that helped clubs keep them as rookies if they wanted to. The contract to Parsons means we will have to upgrade him at end 2018 or delist and wear that impost.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Remind me why people have Parsons as a rookie upgrade? Is that necessary at this time?

He signed a 3 year deal so that indicates a spot on the senior list.

 

[strauchnyy]

Still really disappointed we gave in to involve 19 in the Ablett trade. We were always going to get him, we didn't have to use pick 19.

I'm disappointed because this is an unusual draft. There are really only about 15-20 quality prospects and then it falls off a cliff.

This is why 19 was so important. Usually I'd say pfft 19 to 24 is no big deal (which is almost usually the case) but this draft is extremely unusual / poor.

By stupidly giving up 19 (when we didn't have to) we lose the ability to have a shot on one of the quality players - assuming clubs don't f*ck it up in front of us.

The players at the lower end of the top 20 quality (guys like Balta, O'Brien etc.) will be gone and the ones left over are really all speculative.

In its simplist form, 19 gave us a shot at a good player and I think 22 + 24 are the same as 52 + 54.

Silly trading by Wells to give up 19 when we clearly didn't have to (GC wen't going to keep him against his will when his sister died or force him to retire. It should have been either 35 to their 4th this year or just our R2 next year for their R4 next year)

 

[catempire]

He signed a 3 year deal so that indicates a spot on the senior list.

See above.

 

[catempire]

Still really disappointed we gave in to involve 19 in the Ablett trade. We were always going to get him, we didn't have to use pick 19.

I'm disappointed because this is an unusual draft. There are really only about 15-20 quality prospects and then it falls off a cliff.

This is why 19 was so important. Usually I'd say pfft 19 to 24 is no big deal (which is almost usually the case) but this draft is extremely unusual / poor.

By stupidly giving up 19 (when we didn't have to) we lose the ability to have a shot on one of the quality players - assuming clubs don't f*ck it up in front of us.

The players at the lower end of the top 20 quality (guys like Balta, O'Brien etc.) will be gone and the ones left over are really all speculative.

In its simplist form, 19 gave us a shot at a good player and I think 22 + 24 are the same as 52 + 54.

Silly trading by Wells to give up 19 when we clearly didn't have to (GC wen't going to keep him against his will when his sister died or force him to retire. It should have been either 35 to their 4th this year or just our R2 next year for their R4 next year)

How do you know the player Wells would have picked at 19 won’t still be there at 24?

 

[BORIS332]

Early days for phantoms but there is a lot of names form 20-40 that are shuffling..probably indicates not a lot between them. At 22 and 24... id expect us to be able to draft someone we have on our list in the 15-22 range at worst. Very important to not only nail the talent but to draft resilient and robust kids ... I do not think drafting unloved bargains due to injury is something we can risk.. so that rules out the Bonar type imo.

Lochie O'Brien is my boy in this year's draft. Shades of Zach Merrett.

 

[BORIS332]

How do you know the player Wells would have picked at 19 won’t still be there at 24?

I think it's extremely likely that's the case.

 

[STPer18]

Strong odds that the player we posters all want will be snapped up between 19-21, and we will declare it an absolute disaster. Meanwhile the players Wells wants will likely still be on the table at 22 and 24. Will probably still be there by 35 truth be told.

 

[year of the cat]

Still really disappointed we gave in to involve 19 in the Ablett trade. We were always going to get him, we didn't have to use pick 19.

I'm disappointed because this is an unusual draft. There are really only about 15-20 quality prospects and then it falls off a cliff.

This is why 19 was so important. Usually I'd say pfft 19 to 24 is no big deal (which is almost usually the case) but this draft is extremely unusual / poor.

By stupidly giving up 19 (when we didn't have to) we lose the ability to have a shot on one of the quality players - assuming clubs don't f*ck it up in front of us.

The players at the lower end of the top 20 quality (guys like Balta, O'Brien etc.) will be gone and the ones left over are really all speculative.

In its simplist form, 19 gave us a shot at a good player and I think 22 + 24 are the same as 52 + 54.

Silly trading by Wells to give up 19 when we clearly didn't have to (GC wen't going to keep him against his will when his sister died or force him to retire. It should have been either 35 to their 4th this year or just our R2 next year for their R4 next year)

I feel similarly. Not sure why Wells buckled though I have suspicions that powers above may have forced his hand. AFL gave us 19 as a bargaining tool to use on Ablett and Ablett only. That's how they play. Pragmatic to the end.

I'm still hoping that one of O'Brien or Garner will slip through to 22. Either would be a good fit for us.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

How do you know the player Wells would have picked at 19 won’t still be there at 22?

Fixed.
It's a 3 pick downgrade, then a 2 pick downgrade for our next pick.
That's it.
Plus it isn't as black and white as some make out "15-20 are the only good ones so 21 will be a bust!" is a really idiotic way of looking at the draft...

 

[dazbroncos]

I'm yet to see him in any fantasy drafts, so yea. Another Wells reach maybe.

Curtly Hampton V2?

GO Catters

 

[strauchnyy]

How do you know the player Wells would have picked at 19 won’t still be there at 24?

I don't.

My points are:

1 - we overpaid. We did not have to give 19. We couldve got Ablett without 19.
2 - there are very limited quality players in the draft. After about 20 you may as well have pick 50, they are all speculative
3 - trading 19 away almost loses all of our ability to get one of the good quality players

 

[Kyuss]

How do you know the player Wells would have picked at 19 won’t still be there at 24?

Even more likely that whoever it was at 19 we pick at 22 and whoever it was at 22 we now pick at 24.
But we will never know

 

[catempire]

I don't.

My points are:

1 - we overpaid. We did not have to give 19. We couldve got Ablett without 19.
2 - there are very limited quality players in the draft. After about 20 you may as well have pick 50, they are all speculative
3 - trading 19 away almost loses all of our ability to get one of the good quality players

If you don’t know then it could very well make absolutely no difference.

 

[BigCat1]

Would have also been nice to anchor the 2nd rd pick for Ablett to this year when we finished 3rd in a weak draft.

A) There is no guarantee that we will finish 3rd. That pick could be as low as 26 or 27 next year.
B) If the F/S are good and we need to dump a pick next year we still had that option in the 2018 trade period.
C) That pick could have been used to upgrade our first pick in 2018 or in a trade

None of those options are now available.

 

[Strange Cat]

Would have also been nice to anchor the 2nd rd pick for Ablett to this year when we finished 3rd in a weak draft.

A) There is no guarantee that we will finish 3rd. That pick could be as low as 26 or 27 next year.
B) If the F/S are good and we need to dump a pick next year we still had that option in the 2018 trade period.
C) That pick could have been used to upgrade our first pick in 2018 or in a trade

None of those options are now available.

True Wells is no Clayton

Chin up