List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

24

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

26

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

35

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[gringo2011]

You would also have to question how a ruck about to hit his prime would be excited to move from 2nd in the pecking order to 3rd. Especially when there are other clubs he could go to and be the number 1 from rd1.

You'd be pretty sure that Ryder won't play 23 games and Marshall and him would share the ruck the rest of the time. I doubt that would be his major concern. 12 months at best for Paddy and by that time he should be primed to take over. If we are getting King though it just makes zero sense to have so many talls. One of the Kings would have to back up ruck IMO or it's just too much of an imbalance. Marshall would have to be the prime ruck. We'd still probably have to let a tall forward go. Unless they think that they can trade Marshall out for overs it seems to be a weird move.

 

[Significant]

I don't think Ladhams goes anywhere.

It was common knowledge Sydney asked the question last year when they were chasing Aliir.

Now Dawson says he wants to go to SA, and Port with very little draft capital come out and say Ladhams is up? Coincidence? I don't think so.

Since then, Dawson has nominated Adelaide, so it's completely blown up in their face, hence why I don't think he is going anywhere.

The only other thought is if they are wanting Hayes to start getting regular game time, but he presents as a Lycett replacement more than anything, and he can't be far from retired, can he?

 

[Captain Paddy]

Told him if he stayed at Port, he would only ever be a forward when Dougal wanted to be a defender.

Rare that someone would leave because they’re going to get played as a forward instead of a defender. Doogs a different breed and I love him

 

[bird_man]

Port told Dougal they didn't want him?

Pretty much yes.

 

[Significant]

Rare that someone would leave because they’re going to get played as a forward instead of a defender. Doogs a different breed and I love him

He was even drafted as a forward (IIRC) so it was a complete about face!

 

[BrutThough]

You'd be pretty sure that Ryder won't play 23 games and Marshall and him would share the ruck the rest of the time. I doubt that would be his major concern. 12 months at best for Paddy and by that time he should be primed to take over. If we are getting King though it just makes zero sense to have so many talls. One of the Kings would have to back up ruck IMO or it's just too much of an imbalance. Marshall would have to be the prime ruck. We'd still probably have to let a tall forward go. Unless they think that they can trade Marshall out for overs it seems to be a weird move.

Marshall isnt being traded. We are already in discussions for a very healthy contract extension for him.

 

[Yawkey way]

If you look at Marshall as a 2nd tall forward we've got Ryder (1 year at best), PHunter (break glass in emergency) and Heath (2/3 years away from it).

They'll be looking at anyone who they see as a cheap upgrade on PHunter or pay for a better ruck/forward as a bridge between Ryder and Heath.

Bing just doesn’t fit if we’re moving forward with two rucks.

wow earthquake and a proper one wtf

 

[Ekomaira]

Bing just doesn’t fit if we’re moving forward with two rucks.

wow earthquake and a proper one wtf

5.6 EQ. went for a while too

 

[bird_man]

Told him if he stayed at Port, he would only ever be a forward when Dougal wanted to be a defender.

That is what he was originally told and Howard was still happy to stay.

The club then told him at the next meeting it would be in his best interest if he foubd another club.

Port defender had ‘never thought’ about leaving. Now, three rival clubs are circling

Port defender had ‘never thought’ about leaving. Now, three rival clubs are circling

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“Dougs was fine with that and said: ‘Look, I think I’m a better defender but I’ll do whatever I can to become the best forward I can.’

“He had a follow-up conversation a bit later with Crippa (Jason Cripps, Port Adelaide list manager), he said: ‘Look, we think it’s in Dougs’ best interest if he wants to go and have a look elsewhere. We’d be open if the deal was good enough for the club we would look at

 

[bird_man]

5.6 EQ. went for a while too

Must have travelled some distance.

It was felt up here in NSW and ACT too

 

[Saint_Dos]

Rare that someone would leave because they’re going to get played as a forward instead of a defender. Doogs a different breed and I love him

Wasnt that Carlisle as well?

 

[Bill Mohr]

To be fair, he's very rarely been played as the only ruck so his hit outs will never be high.

His ruck work is ok from what I've watched of him but it's not outstanding. He's a similar type to Marshall where he can quickly become another midfielder when the ball hits the deck and good around the ground and forward.

I just don't like the idea of giving up a good price for a ruckman right now when we have bigger needs and we would be able to find a back up on the cheap.

Cheap and nasty, that is what you get. You want someone who can play well on the odd occasion- take some grabs, kick a goal or two and fill the void when the main ruck is injured.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Well this year any of the injured players. Alternatively Billings/Jones/Ross with Jones moving into the ball exclusively.

Yep. But now we’ll have Gresh, Paton and Clark coming back. He would have been superfluous.

 

[Bill Mohr]

None of this makes any sense to me, why are we chasing a ruckman ?.

The team operates better with the 2 ruckman, even ratten is saying that. Most people are predicting Ryder to play half a year and that is without an injury. hence the "looking forward" for another ruckman. Will it happen, who knows?

 

[Diehard Saint]

That is what he was originally told and Howard was still happy to stay.

The club then told him at the next meeting it would be in his best interest if he foubd another club.

Port defender had ‘never thought’ about leaving. Now, three rival clubs are circling

Port defender had ‘never thought’ about leaving. Now, three rival clubs are circling

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“Dougs was fine with that and said: ‘Look, I think I’m a better defender but I’ll do whatever I can to become the best forward I can.’

“He had a follow-up conversation a bit later with Crippa (Jason Cripps, Port Adelaide list manager), he said: ‘Look, we think it’s in Dougs’ best interest if he wants to go and have a look elsewhere. We’d be open if the deal was good enough for the club we would look at

Well their loss is our gain.

 

[CursingFijian]

5.6 EQ. went for a while too

Now tell me that the epicentre was at the Kings residence, with after shocks felt all the way up to the GC.

 

[PandaG]

No one knows what has been said behind closed doors , the club would not say anything to put down Dunstan but we do know Dunstan has already made his feelings known to the media what he feels - him saying not listening to the coaches and playing on instincts would of went down well and that kind of attitude grows if you don't nip it in the bud it can spread.
Did he follow instructions in the game against the Cats , no one knows but if he said he is playing on his instincts and not listening to the coach it could well be the reason he was dropped for the last game.
Or was it his 8 clangers , 6 turnovers from his 20 touches the reason.

No one knows.

Others itk hve a said a few times he refuses to follow team rules.

Watching dunstan play, he wants to be the Bont when the club needs him to play like libba. I think that was his downfall in the end and fair enough, if he doesn’t listen to the coach he has to go.

 

[PandaG]

Hind was never best 22 at St Kilda, and nothing I have seen would suggest otherwise. Yes, he has great pace, and being at the dopers he is now a superstar, but he would still be a long way down the list as a back at St Kilda. He's not being picked ahead of Paton, Webster, Clark, Coffield or DMac.

Bruce I also feel would not be best 22 at St Kilda, largely for structural issues. He would however, be fantastic depth - just not for the money and length of contract he wanted.

All of these guys ultimately left of their own choice for more opportunity. They may have disagreed with the club about where they should sit in the depth chart, but who isn't a bit disgruntled if they're told that they are only depth.

Hind is absolutely not a superstar FFS

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

The team operates better with the 2 ruckman, even ratten is saying that. Most people are predicting Ryder to play half a year and that is without an injury. hence the "looking forward" for another ruckman. Will it happen, who knows?

Completely depends on the ruck. Marshall and Ryder 2 rucks work.
marshall and hunter?

 

[PandaG]

I feel Ladhams would be a good get but how much are they willing to trade for him.

Future second gets it done

 

[PandaG]

None of this makes any sense to me, why are we chasing a ruckman ?.

Did you watch Paul Hunter play this year..?

 

[PandaG]

You'd be pretty sure that Ryder won't play 23 games and Marshall and him would share the ruck the rest of the time. I doubt that would be his major concern. 12 months at best for Paddy and by that time he should be primed to take over. If we are getting King though it just makes zero sense to have so many talls. One of the Kings would have to back up ruck IMO or it's just too much of an imbalance. Marshall would have to be the prime ruck. We'd still probably have to let a tall forward go. Unless they think that they can trade Marshall out for overs it seems to be a weird move.

Really..?
You can play both king boys forward
Ladhams in ruck
Marshall forward and rover
Bing can play way up the field as a marking link option, which means our ruckman may be able to defend for a change and help the defence.
Pretty much use three players to do what Gawn does all by himself

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think he'll end up a good ruck who can go forward but he's a project still. He's second ruck to Lycett so I imagine he's only getting high hitouts when Lycett is out. At 23 most ruck aren't even playing so you have to project a few years. I think he's good around the ground and probably a bit better at tap work that Marshall but less mobile. We don't need more talls though.

Goober is only 22.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Completely depends on the ruck. Marshall and Ryder 2 rucks work.
marshall and hunter?

Yes, and that's the problem they face. I cant see a problem if they get a good deal for Ladhams. He would have to be value as time rolls on.

 

[Premium]

Yes, and that's the problem they face. I cant see a problem if they get a good deal for Ladhams. He would have to be value as time rolls on.

Get Ladhams and if we get Ben King next year and the feeling is that Ladhams is now extra just put him on the market.
And if we don't get Ben King we still have a good ruckman.