Autopsy AFL 2022 Round 11 - Swans v Tigers Fri May 27th 7:50pm EST (SCG)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Swans by a goal or less

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Tigers by a goal or less

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Swans by 7 - 20

    Votes: 12 26.7%
  • Tigers by 7 - 20

    Votes: 18 40.0%
  • Swans by a lot

    Votes: 7 15.6%
  • Tigers by a lot

    Votes: 5 11.1%
  • Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .

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RedBloodBlackSwan

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Because a free was paid and the ball kicked away, that’s a 50 regardless of score. Same thing as why let a player take a kick for goal after the siren if his team is down by 60 points. Game is not over until after the last kick.
You didn’t engage with his point at all. If Richmond was 7 points down, no one would have blinked an eye.
 

dean33

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You didn’t engage with his point at all. If Richmond was 7 points down, no one would have blinked an eye.
They would have paid it because it was the correct decision and it bore no consequence to the game. Unfortunately when it came to making a decision to possibly decide the game they go into their shells because they don’t have the courage to do so.
 

Do the Dew

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Does anyone, including the umpires, even know what prohibited contact is? If they’re paying the Rioli elbow (term used loosely) why aren’t they then reporting him for a deliberate elbow off the ball?
Because the umps are horrifically inconsistent.

It doesn't help that the current rules are an absolute mess and that umps are not full time. Hocking/Scott have a ton to answer for regarding the s**t they've introduced into the game.
 

Timmy from Thomastown

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Clearly celebrating a victory. Thought the game was over. How anybody can argue that he knew there was a Richmond free kick paid doesn’t understand the game. No 50 was absolutely the right call.

Not so convinced about the holding free though. Very 50/50.
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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1. It wasn’t a free kick to Prestia anyway. He wasn’t held.

2. Those saying it was a clear 50m are ignoring that the umpire has to assess intent.

3. It was a clear reversal for dissent.
 

MisterB

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How was the umpire “can start off your line but must kick over the mark” Nek second Prestia kicks it a metre wide of the mark. The umpires are hopeless.
That was one of the more bizarre things said during that period. I was of the understanding that if you move off your line it is play on, and if you do that whilst taking a shot at goal after the siren then the kick is void. How many times have we heard umpires tell players taking a shot after a quarter has ended, "Here is your line, don't move off it." and that is why an umpire will often stand behind a player taking a shot in that circumstance?
 

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PetterdHoisted

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They would have paid it because it was the correct decision and it bore no consequence to the game. Unfortunately when it came to making a decision to possibly decide the game they go into their shells because they don’t have the courage to do so.
This post should be 'stickied' !!

The 50MP wasn't paid precisely because the game was on the line.

The umpire bottled it, the analogy of a turtle retreating into its shell is apt.
 

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They would have paid it because it was the correct decision and it bore no consequence to the game. Unfortunately when it came to making a decision to possibly decide the game they go into their shells because they don’t have the courage to do so.
Absolute bollocks.

If the ball was in Sydney F50 and the same scenario played out, all that would have happened is the Sydney players would have continued celebrating.

They arent stopping everything to give the ball to Prestia and award him a 50m to then move him up to the wing.
 

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Aren’t they struggling at the lower ranks to get umpires? Seems like there are so many competent umpires in this thread…
 

Paulski19

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That was one of the more bizarre things said during that period. I was of the understanding that if you move off your line it is play on, and if you do that whilst taking a shot at goal after the siren then the kick is void. How many times have we heard umpires tell players taking a shot after a quarter has ended, "Here is your line, don't move off it." and that is why an umpire will often stand behind a player taking a shot in that circumstance?
The rule now is that you just have to kick the ball over the man on the mark. In that situation, you are allowed to start your run up from a metre off your line, as long as the point of contact is made in line with the mark.
 

beez

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Whateley pointed out during the week that, for a range of reasons, our best umpires simply aren't out there at the moment.

We saw that in the critical moment tonight.
One of the apparent "best" umpires is Stevic.

He was the person who made the common sense call and said it should not have been 50.
 

dean33

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Absolute bollocks.

If the ball was in Sydney F50 and the same scenario played out, all that would have happened is the Sydney players would have continued celebrating.

They arent stopping everything to give the ball to Prestia and award him a 50m to then move him up to the wing.
But they would if it put him in a scoring position, they only didn’t do it this time because of the state of the game. Just like if a player is 100 metres out when the siren goes he gives it back to the umpire, if he’s 50 out he takes his kick.
 

PetterdHoisted

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One of the apparent "best" umpires is Stevic.

He was the person who made the common sense call and said it should not have been 50.
yeah I thought he was very recognizable, so it's an even greater mark of cowardice against his name.

The young inexperienced umpire had the guts to call it correctly as a 50 MP, Stevic prefered to crawl under a blanket and suck his thumb

Which ump was it that called 50MP after the siren in the Freo vs Bombers game? If that was Stevic too, how delicious!!

The main difference of course is that that call was after the halftime siren. The game wasn't on the line. Easier to make the right call in that situation. Easy hey Stevic? Just do what's easy in the moment.
 

JackFlash

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A 50-metre penalty to who should be the question? While the free-kick was dubious in the first place, the umpire was then surrounded by a handful of hand-waving argumentive players from Richmond? Dissent rule all of a sudden doesn't exist?
 

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But they would if it put him in a scoring position, they only didn’t do it this time because of the state of the game. Just like if a player is 100 metres out when the siren goes he gives it back to the umpire, if he’s 50 out he takes his kick.
And just like he ONLY kicked the ball into the crowd BECAUSE the siren went.

People trying to compare it to a bloke running off from a contest after a whistle and playing on arent comparing apples with apples.

The umpire correctly applied the law as per the spirit and intent which it is written. It isnt "common sense" it is correctly interpreting the laws of the game.
 

doppleganger

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Which ump was it that called 50MP after the siren in the Freo vs Bombers game? If that was Stevic too, how delicious!!

The main difference of course is that that call was after the halftime siren. The game wasn't on the line. Easier to make the right call in that situation. Easy hey Stevic? Just do what's easy in the moment.
You mean the incident where Swit was caught in a clear holding the ball, acknowledged the decision, and then decided to roll the ball away in disgust after the siren.

The main difference was one was unsportsmanlike (Swit) and one wasn't (Warner).

The "easy" thing to do would have been to be influenced by the shrieking of big name Tigers like Jack who were getting up in the umpires face.