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[Pappagallo]

I'm still loling about those drafts being used as an excuse for our mediocrity when we used our first pick in the 2011 draft to choose one of only two players from that draft to be a dual All Australian (the other being Brownlow medalist Tom Mitchell, who was a father son so not even in the main draft anyway), who we promptly volunteered to trade in the prime of his career for no apparent reason.

Also this all happened almost 10 years ago. Every club was either rebuilding at the same time we were or they’ve rebuilt since and should therefore be behind us. It’s almost as if there are other methods of building a strong list outside of drafting.

 

[Alberton Proud]

The Crows constantly flopping this year might be fun to watch, but it's not doing this cause any good

Local media are too busy desperately talking up their lovely boys to spend time sinking the slipper into Kenny

 

[TeeKray]

Also this all happened almost 10 years ago. Every club was either rebuilding at the same time we were or they’ve rebuilt since and should therefore be behind us. It’s almost as if there are other methods of building a strong list outside of drafting.

It's also almost as if there's been 7 drafts since then to make amends for whatever short comings arose out of lack of access in those two drafts.

 

[Janus]

Champion Data classify him as a key forward and have done so every year as far back as I can remember.

Hawthorn classify him as a key forward:
https://m.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2016-04-15/gunston-signs-on-until-end-of-2019

https://m.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2018-08-22/hawks-quartet-sign-on

Should I let Clarko, the Hawthorn website and Champion Data know that they've all got it wrong?

If you like

Champion Data classifed Justin Westhoff as a key forward for years as well. And just because the guy on the website writes that he's a key forward, doesn't mean he actually is one.

Gunston is about as much a key forward this year as Westhoff is. And you can see it by the fact that Gunston gets shifted around the ground depending on how the team is playing - just like Westhoff.

 

[StrappingTape]

If anyone wants to see the possibilities of getting a coach who can implement a system look at how well Brisbane's gone since Fagan. A clear playing style from day one, an entertaining style the players like to play and recognisable.

He also didn't * around with Hipwood etc like we would have he has let him develop at the top level and taken the pain. A new coach can do that with a Marshall etc because they aren't coaching to finish 7 or 8 and keep the easy money going

 

[Eddie Dingle]

El_Scorcho is more of a sign guy than me but I’ll be right behind him next game

 

[crafty_bernardo]

Richmond had a list of recycled spuds, a few years ago. List management sorted a few things out and not too soon after they won a premiership.

We should have zero excuses with GC/GWS concessions

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[Far Kern]

What were Hawthorn always going to do? Deny us the corridor, make us kick long, get the extra man to that contest and pick it off. Then set up their own game and score. What did Hawthorn do?


What did we do? We played straight into their hands, until, perhaps, it was already all over.

Options: play on and run immediately from the back and take the chance to find a target short and/or wide by hand or foot, risk turning it over in the back half and then winning the contest, run the ball past the point that they can defend and only kick over their cover. Avoid the corridor and do not make the ground big, keep it narrow, keep numbers close to their intercept and pressure them.

We did none of this until it was too late.

It’s not subjective any more.

 

[tribey]

Do you remember that Roby dude who posted completely illogical power rankings on the main board a few years ago and would come out with the most convoluted, tortuous, retconned-after-the-fact-with-the-benefit-of-hindsight arguments to support his ridiculous claims?

I wonder what became of him?

Didn’t he have us as the 13th-best team in the league headed into the Prelim against the Hawks? Or am I muddling timelines a touch?

 

[Macca19]

If you like

Champion Data classifed Justin Westhoff as a key forward for years as well. And just because the guy on the website writes that he's a key forward, doesn't mean he actually is one.

Gunston is about as much a key forward this year as Westhoff is. And you can see it by the fact that Gunston gets shifted around the ground depending on how the team is playing - just like Westhoff.

He's a key forward.

 

[tribey]

Richmond had a list of recycled spuds, a few years ago. List management sorted a few things out and not too soon after they won a premiership.

They got rid of Vickery and Deledio and went and got Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia.

We went and got Rockliff, Watts and Motlop and got rid of Wingard and Polec.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Didn’t he have us as the 13th-best team in the league headed into the Prelim against the Hawks? Or am I muddling timelines a touch?

Probably. Can't remember. My post was more of a "Has anyone seen Roby and Janus in the same room?" type of question.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

And when we get Dixon, Ebert, Wines and Hartlett back - players with over a hundred games experience - we’ll be fine. I expected Wines, Dixon and Hartlett to be firmly entrenched in the team by now.

There is a tipping point in terms of how many inexperienced players you can add to a team. We aren’t playing the players we are because of form, but because of injury.

More likely we will still be a middling team and you will be telling us that it was ridiculous to expect them to come straight back in and gel and hit peak form, that you predicted it all along and to wait for 2020, we won't lose a game.

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[Duck Farmer]

I'm still loling about those drafts being used as an excuse for our mediocrity when we used our first pick in the 2011 draft to choose one of only two players from that draft to be a dual All Australian (the other being Brownlow medalist Tom Mitchell, who was a father son so not even in the main draft anyway), who we promptly volunteered to trade in the prime of his career for no apparent reason.

Yeah. I too missed the bit where GC and GWS won seven consecutive premierships while everyone else suffered from being pushed back in the draft.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Champion Data rank Gunston as a key forward and have done so for years. He might not be a power forward but he is a key forward.

https://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/ratings-hub

 

[tribey]

And when we get Dixon, Ebert, Wines and Hartlett back - players with over a hundred games experience - we’ll be fine.

• A mediocre power forward.
• A good midfielder-cum-forward.
• A good midfielder-cum-plodder.
• A good midfielder-cum-fragile flanker.

Define ‘fine’?

 

[PortWTF]

Reasons Ken is not under the pump except with Port members
- Ken is old school Geelong, which has a massive boys club in the Melbourne media
- Memorably took a basket case to 1 kick from a Grand Final
- Team stats most years look good, suggesting we should be in the mix
- Comes across in interviews as balanced and kind of hokey in his views, never talking up or talking down his own team or opponents. Controversy-free dialogue
- Port is challenging to make finals every year
- Playing a lot of inexperienced players
- Port is a small battling working class club who should be happy to be in the league and almost making finals, just ask our chairman

Until we are putrid there will be no heat put on him in the media. The only time I can really remember anyone suggesting anything was wrong was McClure last year saying we couldn't score.

From the outside looking in people will look at that list and wonder why we are up in arms. Port exist to win premierships, and it's time our Chairman, CEO and board acknowledge that by stating anything otherwise is unacceptable.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Heard from a Perth contact close to Schoey that he is disillusioned with Ken's "doesn't give a **** attitude". He won't stay around if Hinkley gets another contract. Question is will he hang around until the end of the current one.

This is depressing (but unfortunately not surprising).

It is such a long way from the Ken we had early on. What happened?

Was he only engaged when he was getting the results? Has he been affected by external circumstances in his life? Is his mental health OK? I'm not sure.

It is unsustainable for an AFL coach though and surely if it's true there are performance criteria in his contract that he is not meeting?

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[crafty_bernardo]

They got rid of Vickery and Deledio and went and got Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia.

We went and got Rockliff, Watts and Motlop and got rid of Wingard and Polec.

Kens mantra; We exist to be mediocre


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[Enviable Tradition]

Yep, until that tide turns he's going nowhere

I am sure he would leave if offered full pay. We just need to bite the bullet now.

People have been saying for a while that it will cost us more to keep and I felt it has finally crossed that tipping point now.

How much would the 2019 drop in membership have cost? Double it for 2020 if nothing changes.



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[tribey]

Also we could’ve traded in some of this “stolen talent” once they had a few years of development put into them like almost every other club in the competition has done.

This is actually a great point. We chipped off Jack Hombsch (paid fleetingly great dividends) and Jake Neade (we’ll always have those highlights against WCE 2013 and Richmond 2014), but where are the rest?

Forget the Adam Treloars, Tom Boyds and Dylan Shiels, what of the Jack Steeles, the Josh Bruces, the Will Hoskin-Elliotts?

All would walk into our team now.

We paid through the neck for Dixon though, so there’s that.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Dixon isn’t mediocre ffs.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Dixon isn’t mediocre ffs.

Hinkley is doing his best to make him mediocre though.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If you like

Champion Data classifed Justin Westhoff as a key forward for years as well. And just because the guy on the website writes that he's a key forward, doesn't mean he actually is one.

Gunston is about as much a key forward this year as Westhoff is. And you can see it by the fact that Gunston gets shifted around the ground depending on how the team is playing - just like Westhoff.

Oh come on.

Imagine yourself in a grand final. 5 points down, streaming forwards towards an open forward line and a key forward leading towards you.

Who would you rather it be? Gunston or Westhoff?

Its not even close.

Westy isnt a scratch on Gunston as a key forward.

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[The Rubber Man]

Does anyone believe that anyone at the club has any idea about this level of unrest amongst the fan base?

Or are we just screaming into the void here?