Who will be better in 2024? Crows or Port?

[GoldbergsGold]

Crows haven't beaten a top 4 team outside of SA since 2012.
Port haven't beaten a top 4 team outside of SA since 2015.

To put into perspective how bad this is, even perennial basketcase Gold Coast beat a top 4 team outside of QLD in 2022.
To win silverware you need to be able to beat the best teams anywhere, anytime and neither SA team has been able to do so for a long time.

Both teams have had terrible management for ages. Although, Pyke for The Crows was great until September 30th, 2017.

 

[FreoGirl]

Port

 

[Joao]

Had The Crows got Hardwick as a coach, made a few list changes, I could have understood people thinking The Crows were a chance to overtake Port, but I'm surprised people think The Crows are any chance to overtake Port, Port have a far superior experienced list and The Crows management is sub-par with a very inexperienced list.

Port are all over the place with Ken. Could see them in a GF or missing the 8. Crows look relatively safe for a finals berth assuming Tex can kick 70 again.

But its mostly that we have Ports 1st and I want them to suck.

 

[PerthBoy86]

I predict both in the 6-9 range this season.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Crows look relatively safe for a finals berth assuming Tex can kick 70 again.

Relatively safe? They're very inexperienced, and Tex carried them, last year. I don't think they can rely on their veterans yet again. Kicking 70 + goals a year is a rarity. The Crows will fall, this year.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Port are all over the place with Ken. Could see them in a GF or missing the 8. Crows look relatively safe for a finals berth assuming Tex can kick 70 again.

But its mostly that we have Ports 1st and I want them to suck.

That's a pretty big assumption for "relatively safe"

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[Joao]

Relatively safe? They're very inexperienced, and Tex carried them, last year. I don't think they can rely on their veterans yet again. Kicking 70 + goals a year is a rarity. The Crows will fall, this year.

That's a pretty big assumption for "relatively safe"

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I mean, I kind of put it all on the table with the second part of my post.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

I mean, I kind of put it all on the table with the second part of my post.

Yeah, I'm saying that's highly unlikely they can rely on their veterans to pull through again. We'll see, though.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Keep an eye on Pedlar next year too, he can do a bit of Dusty Martin's tricks to bully himself and the ball forward, penetrate and kick goals. We wish he can be as good as Dusty when we need him to be.

Pedlar had 7 disposals at 28% efficiency at one point tonight.

You can park the Dusty comparison.

 

[Taper]

Had The Crows got Hardwick as a coach, made a few list changes, I could have understood people thinking The Crows were a chance to overtake Port, but I'm surprised people think The Crows are any chance to overtake Port, Port have a far superior experienced list and The Crows management is sub-par with a very inexperienced list.

Port are stuck with Hinkley.
That's why.

 

[Arr0w]

I'm still backing the Crows to feature in finals, same as Port

 

[philthy05]

Adelaide have a more that are 21 and under

21 and under


Curtain
Michealanny
Rachele
Soligo
Borlase

Burgoyne
Horne-Francis
Lachie jones
Sinn
Visentini

I’m not sure that is accurate to say you’ve got more 21 and under as if it’s clearly a better group.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

21 and under


Curtain
Michealanny
Rachele
Soligo
Borlase

Burgoyne
Horne-Francis
Lachie jones
Sinn
Visentini

I’m not sure that is accurate to say you’ve got more 21 and under as if it’s clearly a better group.

Your missing Edwards, Ryan , Taylor , Thilthorpe and Pedlar

 

[philthy05]

Your missing Edwards, Ryan , Taylor , Thilthorpe and Pedlar

I did miss those 2 (pedlar and thilthorpe) meant to write them down but forgot.

Didn’t bother noting guys who haven’t had much exposure to afl like I skipped guys like Jackson Scully for port.


Still not a clear gap between the two groups.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I did miss those 2 (pedlar and thilthorpe) meant to write them down but forgot.

Didn’t bother noting guys who haven’t had much exposure to afl like I skipped guys like Jackson Scully for port.


Still not a clear gap between the two groups.

Lol JHF is only guy in your group I’d pay much attention too

 

[Cosmicwinduptoy24]

I did miss those 2 (pedlar and thilthorpe) meant to write them down but forgot.

Didn’t bother noting guys who haven’t had much exposure to afl like I skipped guys like Jackson Scully for port.


Still not a clear gap between the two groups.

Crows 21 and under group is easily better

 

[Taper]

Crows 21 and under group is easily better

Crows aren't stuck with Hinkley either.
Another advantage they have over Port.

 

[Cosmicwinduptoy24]

Crows aren't stuck with Hinkley either.
Another advantage they have over Port.

Port has the better overall list and will easily finish higher. Hinkley is one of the better H&A coaches in the league. Just can't do it in finals.

 

[Taper]

Port has the better overall list and will easily finish higher. Hinkley is one of the better H&A coaches in the league. Just can't do it in finals.

Ken Hinkley is a great coach because his sides never bottom out.

 

[Cosmicwinduptoy24]

Ken Hinkley is a great coach because his sides never bottom out.

Not sure what point you're making.

He's not a great coach. Great coaches win premierships. He does however have a better win loss record than most in H&A matches.

The not bottoming out thing is likely driven by the board who would worry about the financial implications of several seasons at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Port are stuck with Hinkley.
That's why.

Yeah, but in this scenario it's The Crows inconsistent and inexperienced list/Poor Management vs Port's experienced and competitive list/Poor Management.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Ken Hinkley is a great coach because his sides never bottom out.

He's a failure of a senior coach of 11 seasons. There's better coaches than him who bottomed out that went on to win premierships.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Crows aren't stuck with Hinkley either.
Another advantage they have over Port.

Nah Hinkley is a better coach than Nicks

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Had The Crows got Hardwick as a coach, made a few list changes, I could have understood people thinking The Crows were a chance to overtake Port, but I'm surprised people think The Crows are any chance to overtake Port, Port have a far superior experienced list and The Crows management is sub-par with a very inexperienced list.

Adelaide finished with higher percentage for a reason, the wins gap came from the difference in our close games. Crows should have been at a inexperienced doesn’t hold us back from finals.

Unfortunately it’s become clear Rahilky was compensating for Nicks poor tactics

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Nah Hinkley is a better coach than Nicks

I'd put them in the same realm where they're both average and there's many more superior senior coaches around. Although, Nicks hasn't made finals, but his list has been shocking. A better senior coach may have been able to make list changes accordingly and have the team rely less on individual players, and act as a better collective.