Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[BACCS]

Well, the good news is the AFL has listened to you all and from now on the rules will be changed.
I hope you are all happy

Why should anyone be happy? They could have blocked the trade and made this rule change then, they knew this was an issue. Why let one club benefit and then change it for everyone else? Classic AFL incompetence

 

[owen87]

Stop being a flog with the Geelong comment. No club in the land would pay that contract just for him. If clubs had that much spare cash they don’t buy him, they go get a star that’s out of contract. Simples mate, no way you spend 100k on a barina when you can get a Mercedes’ for the same money.

Except you’ve entirely misunderstood the salary cap floor being too high and the implications thereof.

Clubs with acres of space before the floor would certainly overpay for Bowes for a couple of years as-is.

Geelong aren’t doing the Gold Coast a favour by taking on Bowes when other clubs would have done the same.

They’ve permitted salary dump trades but only addressed one side of the equitation.

 

[owen87]

Why should anyone be happy? They could have blocked the trade and made this rule change then, they knew this was an issue. Why let one club benefit and then change it for everyone else? Classic AFL incompetence

Because Gold Coast exist to prop up Geelong’s draft hand.

 

[Vindicater]

Why should anyone be happy? They could have blocked the trade and made this rule change then, they knew this was an issue. Why let one club benefit and then change it for everyone else? Classic AFL incompetence

Because it was Geelong.

You really think St Kilda, Adelaide or Fremantle would have been allowed to do this deal?

 

[Mantastic]

Because it was Geelong.

You really think St Kilda, Adelaide or Fremantle would have been allowed to do this deal?

Fremantle were allowed to last year

 

[Mantastic]

Except you’ve entirely misunderstood the salary cap floor being too high and the implications thereof.

Clubs with acres of space before the floor would certainly overpay for Bowes for a couple of years as-is.

Geelong aren’t doing the Gold Coast a favour by taking on Bowes when other clubs would have done the same.

They’ve permitted salary dump trades but only addressed one side of the equitation.

Why would these struggling clubs agree to take on Bowes contract for nothing? Instead of just overpaying their best players. Bringing in an overpaid reject for no reason is a great way to disrupt a locker room.

You have to incentivise the trade if you're GCS. Literally nobody would take it without compensation.

 

[Pomsta]

I can see why Geelong would take Bowes last year but with with their new faster game plan I don't see where Bowes would get a game. Geelong would have to get a gun at pick #7, otherwise the trade is a total dud, as Geelong would have to pay $550k for 4 years for a 2nds player. Is Bowes better than Cooper Stephens?

 

[GC2015]

Well, the good news is the AFL has listened to you all and from now on the rules will be changed.
I hope you are all happy

I'm just going to throw this out there. Is it possible that the AFL actually orchestrated the Bowes trade in order to justify introducing proper contract upholding rules? The AFL does own the Suns after all...

What's the quickest way to cause enough public outrage to rush through new rules that you want to introduce? Maybe orchestrate a trade that hands the reigning premiers several highly valued assets for next to nothing in return?

Now the AFL are free to introduce rules that uphold an existing player contract once they are traded, which is a ruling that should hold every club far more accountable for the contracts they hand out as well as making the salary dumping concept actually work.

If Geelong were to recruit Bowes under these proposed rules then they would need to trade other players out in order to fit Bowes inside their cap for the following two seasons and the incentive to do so would be the pick 7 carrot waiting for them.

Considering they just captured a premiership, it seems unlikely that a team inside a premiership window would take on a contract like that (as well as trading out others) for an expensive player that may not even be best 22 for them. You'd expect a team with lots of cap room and inside a rebuilding phase to do something like that because pick 7 means more to them than a team like Geelong in 2022.

Just a theory but the AFL obviously wields some kind of power over the Suns so it's at the very least plausible. I also understand this could come across as excusing the actions of the club I support and maybe that's what has subconsciously happened here because the alternative just seems hard to accept. So there's that too.

 

[Warhorse]

Geelong rate Bowes highly and see him as best 22. Watch him explode next year

 

[owen87]

Why would these struggling clubs agree to take on Bowes contract for nothing? Instead of just overpaying their best players. Bringing in an overpaid reject for no reason is a great way to disrupt a locker room.

You have to incentivise the trade if you're GCS. Literally nobody would take it without compensation.

Amazing how only Geelong supporters appear to be pushing the narrative no one would take Bowes on without the incentive, despite clubs scrambling to make the cap floor (which is too high) without overpaying the rest of their list (which results in the Bowes situation).

Almost like there’s some serious bias at play, and a serious lack of understanding of how salary caps work.

No, you don’t actually work at Geelong so you can’t claim to be an expert at managing a salary cap due to the club you support.

 

[Mantastic]

Amazing how only Geelong supporters appear to be pushing the narrative no one would take Bowes on without the incentive, despite clubs scrambling to make the cap floor (which is too high) without overpaying the rest of their list (which results in the Bowes situation).

Almost like there’s some serious bias at play, and a serious lack of understanding of how salary caps work.

No, you don’t actually work at Geelong so you can’t claim to be an expert at managing a salary cap due to the club you support.

And you don't seem to understand that teams trying to make the cap floor will just pay their homegrown players more, not bring in a high-paid failure without an incentive to do so. They'll just front-end contracts for their most promising players and not disrupt the locker room.

 

[Ashman23]

And you don't seem to understand that teams trying to make the cap floor will just pay their homegrown players more, not bring in a high-paid failure without an incentive to do so. They'll just front-end contracts for their most promising players and not disrupt the locker room.

LOL, high paid failure. But that's OK because you smoothed out his salary, would hate to see all your premiership heros get upset with a high priced failure join your club, I hope the locker room at the Cattery is OK.

Great to see you support your players, I hope Jack reads this to see how he's really viewed.

TBH, forgetting pick 7, I would've been happy with him at the Hawks, he's the right type and age to grow with our list and you don't have to look too far (Wright, Brodie, Scrimshaw, Lyons) to see players get out of GC and do well elsewhere.

 

[HairyO]

Geelong rate Bowes highly and see him as best 22. Watch him explode next year

He wont play 8 games unless there are a couple of significant injuries and your pick 7 needs more time in the VFL.

Geelong rated pick 7 highly and sold him the lie that he mattered to them.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I hope the locker room at the Cattery is OK.

Somehow I suspect they’re fine atm. Not a care in the world.

 

[Vivy]

He wont play 8 games unless there are a couple of significant injuries and your pick 7 needs more time in the VFL.

Geelong rated pick 7 highly and sold him the lie that he mattered to them.

Seeing someone so sad they couldn't pick up a player they don't rate is fantastic. Endless tears, endless joy

 

[HairyO]

Seeing someone so sad they couldn't pick up a player they don't rate is fantastic. Endless tears, endless joy

Oh he would have played for us. But we arent as good as Geelong.

Will be interesting to see what Geelong want for him in trade in 2 years when he wants out.

Pick 7 + Bowes = ?

 

[STPer18]

Pick 7 + Bowes = ?

Hawfie tears.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Oh he would have played for us. But we arent as good as Geelong.

Will be interesting to see what Geelong want for him in trade in 2 years when he wants out.

Pick 7 + Bowes = ?

You're still melting.

 

[MacStradbroke]

LOL, high paid failure. But that's OK because you smoothed out his salary, would hate to see all your premiership heros get upset with a high priced failure join your club, I hope the locker room at the Cattery is OK.

Great to see you support your players, I hope Jack reads this to see how he's really viewed.

TBH, forgetting pick 7, I would've been happy with him at the Hawks, he's the right type and age to grow with our list and you don't have to look too far (Wright, Brodie, Scrimshaw, Lyons) to see players get out of GC and do well elsewhere.

Is the locker room mood ok at Geelong at the minute? ….yeah I’d say it’s not too bad

 

[Mantastic]

LOL, high paid failure. But that's OK because you smoothed out his salary, would hate to see all your premiership heros get upset with a high priced failure join your club, I hope the locker room at the Cattery is OK.

Great to see you support your players, I hope Jack reads this to see how he's really viewed.

TBH, forgetting pick 7, I would've been happy with him at the Hawks, he's the right type and age to grow with our list and you don't have to look too far (Wright, Brodie, Scrimshaw, Lyons) to see players get out of GC and do well elsewhere.

I wasn't referring to JB specifically, otherwise I would have named him, I'm just talking about hypothetical future trades and why they wouldn't happen.

And yeah, our dressing room is fine. Geelong can do things other clubs can't. Especially current day Hawthorn.

 

[Foxx]

Geelong pretty much have to play him even if he's not best 22.

 

[The 747]

Geelong pretty much have to play him even if he's not best 22.

At 24 you would expect he will get opportunities early in the year, same for Henry and Bruhn but probably a little more. A lot of our older players will be conservatively managed next year.

 

[Vivy]

Geelong pretty much have to play him even if he's not best 22.

Makes zero sense. There's few times in professional sport when players are chosen to play when they don't deserve it.

Professional sports is the closest thing to a pure meritocracy.

Geelong's current team and aspirations wouldn't fit any of the times it would be acceptable.

 

[Foxx]

Makes zero sense. There's few times in professional sport when players are chosen to play when they don't deserve it.

Professional sports is the closest thing to a pure meritocracy.

Geelong's current team and aspirations wouldn't fit any of the times it would be acceptable.

This is a unique situation. They went out of their way to assure him that pick 7 had nothing to do with wanting him.
They really have to give him games now, at least the first year.

 

[citizen-erased]

Fremantle were allowed to last year

Brodie and 19 for 32 is different to bowes and 7 for 50+

Nice deal though, but appears to be the last time it will happen. Afl already tightening