List Mgmt. List management for 2016

[simmo_bc]

Season Over thought I'd do my part on my opinion on changes

Delist
P Stewart
Ah Chee
Carlile
Colquhoun
Krakouer (re rookie)

Rookies Delisted
Mitchell
One of Houston/Hewett from what I've gathered they've both improved but I like the idea of having one rookie pick live so pick one)

Trade table, would like to do one of these minimum, no more than 4 at an absolute maximum (in order of preference)

O'Shea - Top 45 pick or equivalent player
Lobbe - top 40 pick or equivalent player
Broadbent - Top 30 pick or equivalent player
Neade - Top 40 pick or equivalent player
Hartlett - Top 15 pick or equivalent player
Westhoff - Top 40 pick or equivalent
Young - Top 25 pick or equivalent
Trengove - top 20 pick or equivalent player


Only FA that I had any interest for when I browsed over the list was Mitch Brown from WCE

O'Shea would be lucky to be a 3rd or 4th rounder as a trade I would have thought.

Hewitt and Houston another year as rookie with the view to upgrading both in 2018. Both had massive improvement in second half.

 

[simmo_bc]

Gone into the background a bit. Krak hasn't had nearly as many of those little standout moments this year that draw comment to how good his disposal can be.

I think we'll delist and *may* re-rookie.

Bonner has a few tricks up his sleeve, looks like he could be a star, let's see him one-on-one against a few harder sides first.


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Can we do that with Krak? I thought maximum term for a rookie is 2 years hence why we upgraded Mitchell to senior list last year. Or does a delist reset the clock?

 

[FishingRick04]

Because we will get sfa for him and hes more value to us then a third round pick

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Still not a good enough reason.

It's like saying it's better to keep a c grade employee in my business because I don't have he heart to set them free!

 

[FallingLiefs]

Still not a good enough reason.

It's like saying it's better to keep a c grade employee in my business because I don't have he heart to set them free!

or because your only likely immediate replacements are d graders or someone completely not qualified in which case it's a sound reason to stay on.

 

[Malibu#27]

Still not a good enough reason.

It's like saying it's better to keep a c grade employee in my business because I don't have he heart to set them free!

I imagine you would keep that C grader if you couldn't replace him with someone better though.

 

[Nemisis]

I think Krakouer is still versatile and cost effective enough to be a valuable member of the senior list next year. I've still got him in my best 22 for R1, 2017 at this stage. Even if he drops out of the 22, he'd arguably be top 25 or thereabouts and ideal depth for 2017.

Agree, has been ok to good this year. He seems more aggressive and is switched on most of the time. Upgrade please.

 

[FishingRick04]

I imagine you would keep that C grader if you couldn't replace him with someone better though.

No. Because that C grader will do more damage than good to the team overall. C and D need to go, B's trained to be A's.

Never accept mediocrity

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

They lop off heads at Nieuvision

 

[FishingRick04]

They lop off heads at Nieuvision

Wait and see what happens if Jacko leaves treachery unacceptable

 

[PepeSilvia]

No. Because that C grader will do more damage than good to the team overall. C and D need to go, B's trained to be A's.

Never accept mediocrity

Realistically, how many A and B graders do you think are attainable over the space of this off-season?

I agree that Westhoff should be trade-bait, but there's no point in gutting our list only to replace such players with more C and D graders.

 

[FallingLiefs]

age and games

 

[Portia]

Now the story of a premiership winning club who lost everything.
And the one Bigfooty poster who had no choice but to waste about an hour going through this so she can righteously complain when we make many fewer cuts than this.
Its Arrested List Management.

First 22 for 2017

F      Chad Wingard      Aaron Young     Brent Harvey 
HF     Karl Amon         Charlie Dixon   Matt White 
C      Jarman Impey      Travis Boak     Jared Polec 
HB     Jasper Pittard    Tom Clurey      Jack Hombsch 
B      Tom Jonas         Logan Austin    Darcy Byrne-Jones 
Rucks  Patrick Ryder     Ollie Wines     Robbie Gray 
Int    Jackson Trengove  Brad Ebert      Sam Gray    Angus Monfries

DEPTH RETAINED OUTSIDE 22
Mids: Will Snelling - R
KPPs: Dougal Howard
Rucks: Billy Frampton
Flanks: Aidyn Johnson, Jake Neade, Jesse Palmer, Riley Bonner, Dan Houston - R, Cam Hewett - R

ADD DFA
Brent Harvey

TRADE
Brendon Ah Chee
Hamish Hartlett
John Butcher
Justin Westhoff
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Broadbent

DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell

LIST VIEW
FIRST22 Aaron Young
FIRST22 Angus Monfries
FIRST22 Brad Ebert
FIRST22 Chad Wingard
FIRST22 Charlie Dixon
FIRST22 Darcy Byrne-Jones
FIRST22 Jack Hombsch
FIRST22 Jackson Trengove
FIRST22 Jared Polec
FIRST22 Jarman Impey
FIRST22 Jasper Pittard
FIRST22 Karl Amon
FIRST22 Logan Austin
FIRST22 Matt White
FIRST22 Ollie Wines
FIRST22 Patrick Ryder
FIRST22 Robbie Gray
FIRST22 Tom Clurey
FIRST22 Tom Jonas
FIRST22 Travis Boak
DEPTH Aidyn Johnson
DEPTH Billy Frampton
DEPTH Dougal Howard
DEPTH Jake Neade
DEPTH Will Snelling
DEPTH Jesse Palmer
DEPTH Riley Bonner
R? Dan Houston
R? Cam Hewett
TRADE Brendon Ah Chee
TRADE Hamish Hartlett
TRADE John Butcher
TRADE Justin Westhoff
TRADE Matt Lobbe
TRADE Matthew Broadbent
DELIST Alipate Carlile
DELIST Cam O'Shea
DELIST Jay Schulz
DELIST Kane Mitchell
DELIST Jimmy Toumpas
DELIST Nathan Krakouer
DELIST Paul Stewart
DELIST Sam Colquhoun

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Brent Harvey LOL

 

[Portia]

Brent Harvey LOL

Probably likely to outperform Jake Neade if on an AFL list next year

 

[Powerstufff]

Now the story of a premiership winning club who lost everything.
And the one Bigfooty poster who had no choice but to waste about an hour going through this so she can righteously complain when we make many fewer cuts than this.
Its Arrested List Management.

First 22 for 2017

F      Chad Wingard      Aaron Young     Brent Harvey
HF     Karl Amon         Charlie Dixon   Matt White
C      Jarman Impey      Travis Boak     Jared Polec
HB     Jasper Pittard    Tom Clurey      Jack Hombsch
B      Tom Jonas         Logan Austin    Darcy Byrne-Jones
Rucks  Patrick Ryder     Ollie Wines     Robbie Gray
Int    Jackson Trengove  Brad Ebert      Sam Gray    Angus Monfries

DEPTH RETAINED OUTSIDE 22
Mids: Will Snelling - R
KPPs: Dougal Howard
Rucks: Billy Frampton
Flanks: Aidyn Johnson, Jake Neade, Jesse Palmer, Riley Bonner, Dan Houston - R, Cam Hewett - R

ADD DFA
Brent Harvey

TRADE
Brendon Ah Chee
Hamish Hartlett
John Butcher
Justin Westhoff
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Broadbent

DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell

LIST VIEW
FIRST22 Aaron Young
FIRST22 Angus Monfries
FIRST22 Brad Ebert
FIRST22 Chad Wingard
FIRST22 Charlie Dixon
FIRST22 Darcy Byrne-Jones
FIRST22 Jack Hombsch
FIRST22 Jackson Trengove
FIRST22 Jared Polec
FIRST22 Jarman Impey
FIRST22 Jasper Pittard
FIRST22 Karl Amon
FIRST22 Logan Austin
FIRST22 Matt White
FIRST22 Ollie Wines
FIRST22 Patrick Ryder
FIRST22 Robbie Gray
FIRST22 Tom Clurey
FIRST22 Tom Jonas
FIRST22 Travis Boak
DEPTH Aidyn Johnson
DEPTH Billy Frampton
DEPTH Dougal Howard
DEPTH Jake Neade
DEPTH Will Snelling
DEPTH Jesse Palmer
DEPTH Riley Bonner
R? Dan Houston
R? Cam Hewett
TRADE Brendon Ah Chee
TRADE Hamish Hartlett
TRADE John Butcher
TRADE Justin Westhoff
TRADE Matt Lobbe
TRADE Matthew Broadbent
DELIST Alipate Carlile
DELIST Cam O'Shea
DELIST Jay Schulz
DELIST Kane Mitchell
DELIST Jimmy Toumpas
DELIST Nathan Krakouer
DELIST Paul Stewart
DELIST Sam Colquhoun

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Probably likely to outperform Jake Neade if on an AFL list next year

I was just takin' the pee's I can't deal with the idea of Boomer but aside from that some good ruthless work

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

ADD DFA
Brent Harvey

TRADE
Brendon Ah Chee
Hamish Hartlett
John Butcher
Justin Westhoff
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Broadbent

DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell

By Port list management standards, your methods are unconventional to say the least.

These are the kind of changes needed to add the talent needed and cure the malaise that has been evident since the preseason games. I'm expecting the disappointment from this season to follow through to the off-season period as well though.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Boomer will likely outperform Neade over the remainder of their careers but it's not about that as much as: is it really a long term solution to winning premierships as opposed to winning some games next year.

 

[FranKenHinckley]

No. Because that C grader will do more damage than good to the team overall. C and D need to go, B's trained to be A's.

Never accept mediocrity

We have A that play like D, but the D we do have more often play like B

I'd prefer 85% from a 70% ceiling player, than the 10% Hartlett, westhoff and boak dished up this year

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

When's the last time we delisted a contracted player? Toumpas musing

 

[Portia]

Boomer will likely outperform Neade over the remainder of their careers but it's not about that as much as: is it really a long term solution to winning premierships as opposed to winning some games next year.

Yeah I'd say it is part of a long term strategy for winning premierships.

 

[Andre]

Now the story of a premiership winning club who lost everything.
And the one Bigfooty poster who had no choice but to waste about an hour going through this so she can righteously complain when we make many fewer cuts than this.
Its Arrested List Management.

First 22 for 2017

F      Chad Wingard      Aaron Young     Brent Harvey
HF     Karl Amon         Charlie Dixon   Matt White
C      Jarman Impey      Travis Boak     Jared Polec
HB     Jasper Pittard    Tom Clurey      Jack Hombsch
B      Tom Jonas         Logan Austin    Darcy Byrne-Jones
Rucks  Patrick Ryder     Ollie Wines     Robbie Gray
Int    Jackson Trengove  Brad Ebert      Sam Gray    Angus Monfries

DEPTH RETAINED OUTSIDE 22
Mids: Will Snelling - R
KPPs: Dougal Howard
Rucks: Billy Frampton
Flanks: Aidyn Johnson, Jake Neade, Jesse Palmer, Riley Bonner, Dan Houston - R, Cam Hewett - R

ADD DFA
Brent Harvey

TRADE
Brendon Ah Chee
Hamish Hartlett
John Butcher
Justin Westhoff
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Broadbent

DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell

LIST VIEW
FIRST22 Aaron Young
FIRST22 Angus Monfries
FIRST22 Brad Ebert
FIRST22 Chad Wingard
FIRST22 Charlie Dixon
FIRST22 Darcy Byrne-Jones
FIRST22 Jack Hombsch
FIRST22 Jackson Trengove
FIRST22 Jared Polec
FIRST22 Jarman Impey
FIRST22 Jasper Pittard
FIRST22 Karl Amon
FIRST22 Logan Austin
FIRST22 Matt White
FIRST22 Ollie Wines
FIRST22 Patrick Ryder
FIRST22 Robbie Gray
FIRST22 Tom Clurey
FIRST22 Tom Jonas
FIRST22 Travis Boak
DEPTH Aidyn Johnson
DEPTH Billy Frampton
DEPTH Dougal Howard
DEPTH Jake Neade
DEPTH Will Snelling
DEPTH Jesse Palmer
DEPTH Riley Bonner
R? Dan Houston
R? Cam Hewett
TRADE Brendon Ah Chee
TRADE Hamish Hartlett
TRADE John Butcher
TRADE Justin Westhoff
TRADE Matt Lobbe
TRADE Matthew Broadbent
DELIST Alipate Carlile
DELIST Cam O'Shea
DELIST Jay Schulz
DELIST Kane Mitchell
DELIST Jimmy Toumpas
DELIST Nathan Krakouer
DELIST Paul Stewart
DELIST Sam Colquhoun

Mostly agree, except I'd trade Neade and Sam Gray instead of Ah Chee (neither have the X-factor to overcome their lack of height).
And I'd keep Butcher - as we'll get nothing for him, someone will just pick him as a DFA. He'd be on close to minimum wage and we have zero KPF depth.

Certainly we need to cut much deeper then we all know is going to happen.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Now the story of a premiership winning club who lost everything.
And the one Bigfooty poster who had no choice but to waste about an hour going through this so she can righteously complain when we make many fewer cuts than this.
Its Arrested List Management.

First 22 for 2017

F      Chad Wingard      Aaron Young     Brent Harvey
HF     Karl Amon         Charlie Dixon   Matt White
C      Jarman Impey      Travis Boak     Jared Polec
HB     Jasper Pittard    Tom Clurey      Jack Hombsch
B      Tom Jonas         Logan Austin    Darcy Byrne-Jones
Rucks  Patrick Ryder     Ollie Wines     Robbie Gray
Int    Jackson Trengove  Brad Ebert      Sam Gray    Angus Monfries

DEPTH RETAINED OUTSIDE 22
Mids: Will Snelling - R
KPPs: Dougal Howard
Rucks: Billy Frampton
Flanks: Aidyn Johnson, Jake Neade, Jesse Palmer, Riley Bonner, Dan Houston - R, Cam Hewett - R

ADD DFA
Brent Harvey

TRADE
Brendon Ah Chee
Hamish Hartlett
John Butcher
Justin Westhoff
Matthew Lobbe
Matthew Broadbent

DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell

LIST VIEW
FIRST22 Aaron Young
FIRST22 Angus Monfries
FIRST22 Brad Ebert
FIRST22 Chad Wingard
FIRST22 Charlie Dixon
FIRST22 Darcy Byrne-Jones
FIRST22 Jack Hombsch
FIRST22 Jackson Trengove
FIRST22 Jared Polec
FIRST22 Jarman Impey
FIRST22 Jasper Pittard
FIRST22 Karl Amon
FIRST22 Logan Austin
FIRST22 Matt White
FIRST22 Ollie Wines
FIRST22 Patrick Ryder
FIRST22 Robbie Gray
FIRST22 Tom Clurey
FIRST22 Tom Jonas
FIRST22 Travis Boak
DEPTH Aidyn Johnson
DEPTH Billy Frampton
DEPTH Dougal Howard
DEPTH Jake Neade
DEPTH Will Snelling
DEPTH Jesse Palmer
DEPTH Riley Bonner
R? Dan Houston
R? Cam Hewett
TRADE Brendon Ah Chee
TRADE Hamish Hartlett
TRADE John Butcher
TRADE Justin Westhoff
TRADE Matt Lobbe
TRADE Matthew Broadbent
DELIST Alipate Carlile
DELIST Cam O'Shea
DELIST Jay Schulz
DELIST Kane Mitchell
DELIST Jimmy Toumpas
DELIST Nathan Krakouer
DELIST Paul Stewart
DELIST Sam Colquhoun

This would all be well and good if you were taking over Port's list on an Xbox game, but in the real world, how does all of this happen? You've got us trading out three guys on long-term contracts. You've got us trading out three lifelong South Australians who have no reason to uproot their lives by agreeing to a trade interstate. You've got us delisting two guys who are contracted for the 2017 season.

I'd like to think we can do a Bernie Vince with Lobbe considering that he's an interstater who's spot in the best 22 is under serious doubt, we could probably find a buyer for Ah Chee if we wanted to although I think we'd be getting unders for him, but the rest won't happen. Hartlett, Hoff and Broadbent won't agree to go anywhere, and if anyone wants Butcher they'll probably wait it out for him to be available as a DFA.

I'm not even commenting on whether or not your suggested moves are a good idea, I'm just saying they're unrealistic.

 

[FranKenHinckley]

Calling it now. We will win the flag next year.

What...why...did Ken resign and who did we recruit?. What don't I know?

 

[Powerstufff]

.....
DELIST
Alipate Carlile
Cam O'Shea
Jay Schulz
Jimmy Toumpas
Nathan Krakouer
Paul Stewart
Sam Colquhoun
Kane Mitchell ....

Carlile and Toumpas would need to be paid out. We won't be allowed to do that, we're still on the AFL's financial life-support.