Best forward 6 of all time

[Geelong_Bisons_#36]

I remember a study done a while ago stating that Bradman was the best sportsperson of all time based on what he achieved compared to what other players he played against achieved. No other sportsperson was as dominant, though in that time I think there is an Ice Hockey player that got close, not sure.

The Great One - Wayne Gretzky

 

[Nugett]

I remember a study done a while ago stating that Bradman was the best sportsperson of all time based on what he achieved compared to what other players he played against achieved. No other sportsperson was as dominant, though in that time I think there is an Ice Hockey player that got close, not sure.

I think you’re underselling Walter Lindrum. Rules kept changing in trying to stop him.

 

[Nugett]

Yep cant rate bradman other then compare his statistics.

did you know bradman only hit 6 sixes in his entire test career? me thinks he may not of been good as his stats implied. However i never saw him so i have no idea.

Yet Bradman is the only cricketer to score 300 in a day. So the lack of 6’s just shows that he had more avenues to score quickly without giving his wicket away.

 

[eth-dog]

I remember a study done a while ago stating that Bradman was the best sportsperson of all time based on what he achieved compared to what other players he played against achieved. No other sportsperson was as dominant, though in that time I think there is an Ice Hockey player that got close, not sure.

Gretzky

 

[PhatBoy]

Big statement.
Cricket is not played in all countries.
Best batsman, looks that way.
But defining best sportsperson ever- is that because he dominates stats as a batsman?

So. Outside of Heather McKay or Walter Lindrum name me someone else that is as dominant over his nearest rival

 

[PhatBoy]

Gretzky

Gretzky has SOMETHING of a case given how much better he was than the next best player. Using Seeds’ criteria he can’t be considered though as it’s not played seriously in enough countries.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think you’re underselling Walter Lindrum. Rules kept changing in trying to stop him.

Lindrum has a case, however I think the nature of the ‘sport’ counts against him somewhat

 

[PhatBoy]

In what stats has Tiger Woods been usurped?
You know in his prime he was winning 1 out of every 3 tournaments he was playing? That is insane.

Well he still hasn’t won more majors than anyone else which is what greatness is measured on and he still doesn’t hold the record for PGA wins on his own either.

 

[doofdoof]

I remember a study done a while ago stating that Bradman was the best sportsperson of all time based on what he achieved compared to what other players he played against achieved. No other sportsperson was as dominant, though in that time I think there is an Ice Hockey player that got close, not sure.

The Great One - Wayne Gretzky

Gretzky

Gretzky has SOMETHING of a case given how much better he was than the next best player. Using Seeds’ criteria he can’t be considered though as it’s not played seriously in enough countries.

Ice hockey scoring is Goals + Assists = Points

Gretzky has scored more Assists (1963) than anyone else has scored total Points. Add 894 Goals, and consider he played about 300 games less than the rest of the top 5. The only guy close to his stratosphere is Super Mario Lemieux, who scored at a similar pace, but played 500 fewer games.

Also, Ice Hockey is played seriously by as many, it not more countries than cricket. Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia plus another raft of second tier nations.

 

[Nugett]

Lindrum has a case, however I think the nature of the ‘sport’ counts against him somewhat

Admittedly billiards is on the same level of sports as darts! Still technically a sport though!

 

[PhatBoy]

Ice hockey scoring is Goals + Assists = Points

Gretzky has scored more Assists (1963) than anyone else has scored total Points. Add 894 Goals, and consider he played about 300 games less than the rest of the top 5. The only guy close to his stratosphere is Super Mario Lemieux, who scored at a similar pace, but played 500 fewer games.

Also, Ice Hockey is played seriously by as many, it not more countries than cricket. Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia plus another raft of second tier nations.

All of whom have a combined population smaller than that of one cricket nation

 

[Vdubs]

So. Outside of Heather McKay or Walter Lindrum name me someone else that is as dominant over his nearest rival

Don't really know, but there are billions of people who don't know or give a rats about cricket, that was my only point. USA, Europe, China, Russia, Japan...
I raised his name because he was and is so peerless, and you have reinforced that.

 

[Seeds]

Yet Bradman is the only cricketer to score 300 in a day. So the lack of 6’s just shows that he had more avenues to score quickly without giving his wicket away.

It actually shows less avenues as he didnt hit sixes.

 

[Seeds]

CHF Franklin. Hudson Roughead
Fwd Mathews Dunstall Rioli

Dermie was a far far better player then roughhead.

brereton also rocked up when it counted. probably the best grand final performer the game has seen.

althhough you would have to question whether hudson or dunstall could play in the same side together. Both were full fowards and nothing else.

the hawks foward line is lacking a quality half foward flanker. well a second one if you count franklin as one. Outside rioli and franklin the side looks a little slow.

 

[SSSSSS]

Huddo as sub.

Fly him in at 3 quarter time to take the vest off.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Fly him in at 3 quarter time to take the vest off.

Move Jesus to CHF.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Looking only AFL era, and giving no regard to how it would actually work in practice:

First team
N. Riewoldt - S. Loewe - N. Winmar
S. Milne - T. Lockett - F. Gherig

J. Heatley, P. Everitt, B. Hall & G. McAdam in the next picked group. Would run most teams pretty close

 

[WillHayward]

Baldock Reiwoldt Loewe
Milne Lockett Winmar

Man it's hard to believe you didn't win a flag with Pluggers, Loewe, Winmar, Harvey in the same side.

 

[WillHayward]

Looking only AFL era, and giving no regard to how it would actually work in practice:

First team
N. Riewoldt - S. Loewe - N. Winmar
S. Milne - T. Lockett - F. Gherig

J. Heatley, P. Everitt, B. Hall & G. McAdam in the next picked group. Would run most teams pretty close

Wasn't Gilbert McAdam a winger?

 

[Mr Meow]

Dermie was a far far better player then roughhead.

brereton also rocked up when it counted. probably the best grand final performer the game has seen.

althhough you would have to question whether hudson or dunstall could play in the same side together. Both were full fowards and nothing else.

the hawks foward line is lacking a quality half foward flanker. well a second one if you count franklin as one. Outside rioli and franklin the side looks a little slow.

It's hard to see how some of these sides with 4 talls (usually 2 genuine full forwards) would work. It's a bit different with someone like Franklin or J.Cameron off a forward flank but they are exceptions, not the rule. If you have a tall in the forward pocket he'd want him to be mobile and adept on ground balls as well.

 

[doofdoof]

All of whom have a combined population smaller than that of one cricket nation

Ridiculous take. Choose a single irrelevant statistic to mount an argument.

If population matters then let's include the greatest ping pong player from China in this list

 

[PhatBoy]

Ridiculous take. Choose a single irrelevant statistic to mount an argument.

If population matters then let's include the greatest ping pong player from China in this list

A) I’m yet to hear someone mount an argument why a table tennis player 20 per cent better than anyone else in history ISNT in the argument

B) in addition to one nation having a greater population than all the main ice hockey nations combined, there are also more first tier cricket nations full stop than there are nations named in the post I responded to, irrespective of population.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Melbourne's would be entertaining:

Petracca Schwarz Lyon
Farmer Neitz Roberston

Jakovich would make it more entertaining. He would replace either Petracca or Robertson.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Obviously I didn't include him but on a technicality you could. He's listed in the AFL team of the century as (Geelong, Hawthorn)

By the way if you did, this is what it would look like:

Ablett Matthews Franklin
Rioli Hudson Dunstall

Probably the best forward line period, minus Lockett.

Matthews to the fp and Dermie to chf. Cyril out.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Alistair Lynch, Bernie Quinlan, Charlie Cameron
Garry Wilson, Jonathon Brown, Jason Akermanis

Notable mention to Daniel Bradshaw 496 goals, could be named on the bench and play either Key FWD or DEF.

total goals- 2787 (=241 if you count Quinlan's time at Footscray)

Conlan in there somewhere, Lynch back to the backline. Richard Osborne?