Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[moond0g]

That defeats the entite purpose of a national competition.

Unless you want to see the old zoning days and geelong has home grown country boys etc etc with other teams their own zone..

Sydney and brisbane dont have player retention issues. Only the two startup teams do which is quite normal. GWS not so much anymore as they are settling.

Essentially we havr a handful of teams receiving an unfair playing field in the league. Sydney will essentially never bottom out with the constant pipeline

It depends if the overarching purpose of the academies is more about giving priority access to high quality players to make GC, GWS etc. competitive in the AFL, or if the purpose is for the AFL to develop high quality talent in QLD and NSW (i.e., for participation and support to grow in traditionally non-football areas).

If it’s point 2, then it’s very different from the old school zoning, even though they may appear the same.

 

[FootyLad0]

This thread got a bit messy earlier…my apologies for the outside user tag.
I’ve messaged the bloke and we sorted it so all g.

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

 

[Kobe Gryant]

This thread got a bit messy earlier…my apologies for the outside user tag.
I’ve messaged the bloke and we sorted it so all g.

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

SYL's a good bloke, at least you picked a decent poster to make the mistake!!

Back on topic, I've been hearing whispers of this guy named Harley Reid or something

Haven't seen enough of him, but I'm pretty sure he's an okay player. Could be worth the punt with some development in the Geelong system as a project player.

 

[And_ROOS]

No. He is channelling “The Castle” with that deal..

To be fair thats the sort of deal we do to Gold Coast or West Coast and not the sort of deal we are on the end of.

 

[Turbocat]

Who’s paying the $2 million…

Who isn’t?


Id say WCoast would offer him 20M 10 year contract if he wanted it. Probably more. Who knows what the sal cap will be by 2036.

They mentioned on MidWek Tackle that they though he would sign year 4 at West Coast ..that would take him to 2027 … and year 4 might be 1.5M

I feel a little bit of unease for the kid. He is white hot atm.. there is a lot of downside from where he is , just hope he can avoid all the negatives and enjoy the positives

 

[Turbocat]

This thread got a bit messy earlier…my apologies for the outside user tag.
I’ve messaged the bloke and we sorted it so all g.

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

3 year deal to Pendelberry to including coaching when he no longer feels he can cut the mustard with the younger guys.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Every club that has success has some sort of advantage. If GC etc start to really become an over bearing success ..it will be reigned in. The start will making them pay fair rate for the players….

What advantage did geelong receive to win a flag?? Every mechanism we have had has been accessible to every other team in the league.

I call an unfair advantage as something exclusively available only to your club that others dont have. Aa far as the i am aware, all clubs have the same father son rules... As iimagine that was the line of thought you were pursuing with this. Of those fs picks, the only top 10 worthy was hawkins also, with scarlett a third rounder value at the time and ablett an early second ( he was described by dal santo as a flashy brilliance HF who was inconsistent and a low accumulator at TAC cup).

The FS is something brisbane is cashing in on seriously atm with ashcroft x2... And i hope they enjoy their turn. A hodge is on thr horizon...

Its more a matter of waiting your turn for the fruit to fall.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It depends if the overarching purpose of the academies is more about giving priority access to high quality players to make GC, GWS etc. competitive in the AFL, or if the purpose is for the AFL to develop high quality talent in QLD and NSW (i.e., for participation and support to grow in traditionally non-football areas).

If it’s point 2, then it’s very different from the old school zoning, even though they may appear the same.

My issue with point two is why would you only have 4 sides doing this??? Wouldnt the game grow much faster if you have all 18 clubs pumping resources into growth states??

Imagine how much higher and fast tracked the participation numbers would be with this scenario.

 

[dangerwood]

My guys, the rule of a long winded hypothetical trade posted by me is that they are a joke, and my other mod mate hates them, so I really play on that.

I mean....he'd be our best midfielder.

 

[moond0g]

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

You mean a mystery mid of some sort…

 

[moond0g]

My issue with point two is why would you only have 4 sides doing this??? Wouldnt the game grow much faster if you have all 18 clubs pumping resources into growth states??

Imagine how much higher and fast tracked the participation numbers would be with this scenario.

I think if you try and slice up QLD 18 ways, there wouldn’t be much point/incentive for each club to invest because their share would be so small for starters.

I’m comfortable with the academies. The Victorian clubs benefit from father sons that they don’t have access to by virtue of not having ex-players that are old enough to have draftee aged children yet. It’s just about making sure they pay a fair price for the talent.

 

[moond0g]

What advantage did geelong receive to win a flag?? Every mechanism we have had has been accessible to every other team in the league.

I call an unfair advantage as something exclusively available only to your club that others dont have. Aa far as the i am aware, all clubs have the same father son rules... As iimagine that was the line of thought you were pursuing with this. Of those fs picks, the only top 10 worthy was hawkins also, with scarlett a third rounder value at the time and ablett an early second ( he was described by dal santo as a flashy brilliance HF who was inconsistent and a low accumulator at TAC cup).

The FS is something brisbane is cashing in on seriously atm with ashcroft x2... And i hope they enjoy their turn. A hodge is on thr horizon...

Its more a matter of waiting your turn for the fruit to fall.

The obvious one is our home ground. That’s clearly an advantage that’s not available to any other clubs, and never will be. How many FS have GC or GWS had compared to Geelong or Collingwood?

With so many teams concentrated in Melbourne the competition is never going to be equal. Some clubs will benefit in ways that aren’t accessible to others, and vice-versa. I think the AFL has to take an active role in trying to make the competition more equitable.

How they do that and whether they are successful is the question worth asking IMO

 

[petrolium]

Who’s paying the $2 million…

Exactly. We are into Harley bigggg time. I’ve said it before but once Danger and Hawk are gone, we’ll be all guns for him.

 

[The Unforgiven]

The obvious one is our home ground. That’s clearly an advantage that’s not available to any other clubs, and never will be. How many FS have GC or GWS had compared to Geelong or Collingwood?

With so many teams concentrated in Melbourne the competition is never going to be equal. Some clubs will benefit in ways that aren’t accessible to others, and vice-versa. I think the AFL has to take an active role in trying to make the competition more equitable.

How they do that and whether they are successful is the question worth asking IMO

How is Kardinia Park any different than Carrara Stadium is for Gold Coast?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

SYL's a good bloke, at least you picked a decent poster to make the mistake!!

Back on topic, I've been hearing whispers of this guy named Harley Reid or something

Haven't seen enough of him, but I'm pretty sure he's an okay player. Could be worth the punt with some development in the Geelong system as a project player.

Harley’s a great kid from a good Cat family(I played against his old man).

I reckon Geelong would be where he went if he was ever to go home, but knowing a little about how he’s going over there at the moment I reckon he might be there for the long haul. Seems to be loving it in Perth, based on social media that his friends and family post.

 

[moond0g]

How is Kardinia Park any different than Carrara Stadium is for Gold Coast?

We get a similar home ground advantage that they do, but we ALSO get the benefit of only having to travel just down the road to play the majority of our away games. This is clearly unique to us and I don't really understand why there's such a push back from Geelong supporters to acknowledge it.

But more broadly, if you compare all the teams, clearly each team has different engrained advantages/disadvantages compared to their opposition, in part due to the density of clubs in Melbourne. Comparing fixturing alone, WA teams benefit from a strong home ground advantage, but have to travel very large distances every other week; Collingwood get to play more games at the MCG than anyone else, which is a huge advantage, particulalry given the grand final is mandated to be there (which is especially unfair for non-vic clubs like GC who may have finished higher on the ladder), but then they don't necessarily get as strong an advantage in all of those games because some will be against other MCG tenant clubs; because there are 24 games but only 18 teams, every team plays a few random teams twice. If you get North and Richmond, that's a clear advantage compared to teams that get Sydney and Collingwood.

You can argue as to which clubs advantages outweigh their disadvantages more strongly, but to say that everyone has a level playing field is a little naive I think. The AFL will never be equal in the sense that these things will never go away. Once we acknowledge that, I think it's relatively uncontroversial that the AFL have to be active in trying to make it as equitable as possible. Like I say, it's then a matter of judging how good a job they do of achieving that.

 

[MisterMarcus]

This thread got a bit messy earlier…my apologies for the outside user tag.
I’ve messaged the bloke and we sorted it so all g.

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

[Insert mature backup ruck from any of the other 17 clubs here.....]

 

[Footy Smarts]

This thread got a bit messy earlier…my apologies for the outside user tag.
I’ve messaged the bloke and we sorted it so all g.

Let’s switch it up!
Thoughts on oppo players to go after….but I’m not talking about obvious ones like Baz, Perkins or Yeo that we’ve been linked and talked about as connected to before.

I’m talking about “outside the box” rumours or suggestions

I still reckon Hopper is a slight chance. His best is good and what we need but he can't get on the park. There's every chance he's disgruntled after Hardwick sold him a lemon.

If the Tigers and Hopper agree it's best for both parties to move on then I could see them accepting a second rounder and clearing 2/3 of his salary rather than forcing him to stay. Even with his injury problems if it's a 2nd rounder and paying him the average wage I'd do that in the hope his body comes good.

 

[Strange Cat]

Harley’s a great kid from a good Cat family(I played against his old man).

I reckon Geelong would be where he went if he was ever to go home, but knowing a little about how he’s going over there at the moment I reckon he might be there for the long haul. Seems to be loving it in Perth, based on social media that his friends and family post.

I tend to agree but a lot can change quickly and it would be negligence by the club to not at least ask the questions or plan for it should it happen

 

[Turbocat]

What advantage did geelong receive to win a flag?? Every mechanism we have had has been accessible to every other team in the league.

I call an unfair advantage as something exclusively available only to your club that others dont have. Aa far as the i am aware, all clubs have the same father son rules... As iimagine that was the line of thought you were pursuing with this. Of those fs picks, the only top 10 worthy was hawkins also, with scarlett a third rounder value at the time and ablett an early second ( he was described by dal santo as a flashy brilliance HF who was inconsistent and a low accumulator at TAC cup).

The FS is something brisbane is cashing in on seriously atm with ashcroft x2... And i hope they enjoy their turn. A hodge is on thr horizon...

Its more a matter of waiting your turn for the fruit to fall.

Its an complex subject with a lot of flavours to the discussion. Biases are not wrong, it just depends on where you stand. Ironically Phil Davis was talking about the subject this morning on SEN … from around the 17.0 min mark… comparing small and big clubs not just non vic.

My pov is its a socialised comp but not a communist one. If we went to a full on open market comp id suspect we would soon be a struggling club. Too many others are bigger and more wealthy. If there were only 5 clubs in Vic .. we do we sit? So Geelong benefits by the number of Vic clubs there are. All Vic teams do in a way..as games against other Vic teams are far easier to sell than a game against non Vic clubs.

Our socialised comp has a blend of levelling measures.. after all what is the draft if not an attempt to balance and redress strength over weakness. The sal cap plays a role like a governor. I dread to imagine what sort of money West Coast would be offer atm if there was no cap. So the attempt to level out the comp means that small difference can be the difference. In close a comp its often these small difference that can be seen as huge advantages. My bet is somewhere some one is thinking at the Suns.. how can we get the AFL to play extra games in the NT. Maybe we offer North money to replace the loss of Tas..to play games up there. Would they sell games to the Suns for 1.5M a game?

When I previously said that clubs that had and have success has some advantage ..its often more than just one thing, it can be a lot of little things but sometimes it can be one thing that can be the edge.Its probably always been that way. I think back to the era of Melb in the 50’s thru 60’s.. what an advantage they had to be only team that had the MCG as their home ground…of and by the way..play for us and we get you into the MCC . Was it coincidence that the year Rich move to the G that they won the flag in 67? The same thing happened with Ess in 93.

There was the era of zones..some zones better than others.. was that luck? How much did some clubs develop their own zones? No doubt some clubs benighted by having better zones and better players living in those zones. Carlton had bendigo ..yet in the 80’s it was not their zone , it was the era of ‘We don't rebuild” and theyy brought in Kernhan and Bradley etc

When I say success, it might not totally be premierships ..but Id be lying if I didn't think that was a part of it. The ongoing success at Collingwood seems light compared to North. I have seen North win 4 flags… Pies only 3 ..yet Id say Pies are infinitely more successful club, a stronger club etc. The huge following makes a huge advantage.

The size of clubs, the location of the vast majority of where players are drafted from , the introduction of free agency , the change in players attitudes to a willingness to move .. Success is a broad tapestry ..and some clubs have advantages in that others will never have or maybe not for a long time.

For Geelong , our location and who we are ...what was once a disadvantage is now an advantage for at least some players. Our home ground is an advantage and its development has help us. Not just its shape but having a home ground. For the smaller vic clubs , maybe some bigger ones id say they look at what we have with green eyes. Im sure Carlton would love to have fully refurnished PPark to play AFLW and and perhaps so smaller crowds at. Previously some have been advocates for selling Docklands and redeveloping the PP ground.

We have benefited by Father Son , as many other clubs have. Ess Fletcher, Car SOS , Pies Moore and Dacios etc… the Dogs probably have had the biggest win from that in recent years. Our biggest win by far was Hawkins and Selwood..which probably is not repeatable now. To be able to take Joel the same year we had a top 5 , if not #1 pick in Hawk …was a huge add..on top of the group we already had.

I feel the afl have decided to expand .. and part of making it sustainable is developing players. The academy's seem to be doing that. If the Northern clubs become too dominant from that they will redress it. for hey cant afford to have the clubs that drive the money being down too long. Viewing eyes and attendance still makes Vic critical. For the moment id say the system they have started up there is working. They will redress how much they pay ..as the four they got in 2023 will not be the last big haul. I suspect the AFL would like to see the Suns win a bit more , play finals , be a legit side before they think of seriously dimishing the flow of talent that has taken a while to develop… especially when they will have a new baby to nurture.

 

[Warhorse]

Harley’s a great kid from a good Cat family(I played against his old man).

I reckon Geelong would be where he went if he was ever to go home, but knowing a little about how he’s going over there at the moment I reckon he might be there for the long haul. Seems to be loving it in Perth, based on social media that his friends and family post.

Now that you are here... any rumours about Geelong being into Connor Nash?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Now that you are here... any rumours about Geelong being into Connor Nash?

Not that I know of.

Doubt Nash would leave unless we pushed him out, which seems highly unlikely.
He is said to be one of Mitchell’s favourites, and he owes Sam for turning him into a bullocking inside mid from a clueless forward pocket(under Clarko).

 

[Catman]

What advantage did geelong receive to win a flag?? Every mechanism we have had has been accessible to every other team in the league.

Steve Hocking changing the rules just for us. Or so the Richmond fans say...

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Steve Hocking changing the rules just for us. Or so the Richmond fans say...

And Laura Kane is also just Steve Hocking in a bodysuit and makeup.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And Laura Kane is also just Steve Hocking in a bodysuit and makeup.

Would bang.





Sorry, I’m going to unwatch this thread now.