Roast The Ugly v The Bulldogs, Round 7

[skoobydoo]

The game looked a bit like the Crows of yester years.
well done to the dogs for the pressure they applied.
But as in the past, our senior players go missing when the heat is on.
The performance of experienced players in Thommo, Douglas and Mackay was disgraceful.
These guys have been around for a long time and I feel are part of the reason we continue to fail on big occasions.
I was hoping our midfield set up was going to improving with Pyke but it is still very much a work in progress.
And Walker, got into good positions, but just couldn't hold on to anything, was so frustrating.

Yes. Vintage players like Thompson need to be judged on the hard, tough, everything is going against us games - not the run of the mill everybody played well victories. Exasperated.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How was Eddie's nutmeg in the 1st quarter? Pity there were a dozen other Bulldog defenders there otherwise it would have been goal of the year

 

[Freewayflyer]

If I was a Bulldogs supporter I am not sure I would be using the whole 'we smashed you all over the ground/we won all the key stats by a mile/umpiring was irrelevant' argument. I would be more concerned about the fact they did all this yet only managed a two goal win...

 

[FR0GGY]

Lynch saying the team though tex was great on sat night, if he took those marks he would have been best on. Can't see him being dropped, neither should he be.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Well played Crows. It's a pity the umpiring seems to have overshadowed what was an exciting game.
Starting to get a bit of a rivalry going.
Look forward to the next battle.

 

[FR0GGY]

Well played Crows. It's a pity the umpiring seems to have overshadowed what was an exciting game.
Starting to get a bit of a rivalry going.
Look forward to the next battle.

Be nice to play you guys at our home with our supplied umpires

 

[Bicks]

I'd be interested to see Sauce's HO to advantage stat for the game, the number of times he put it down the Dog's midfielders throat especially Wallis was very frustrating to watch and on a number of occasions gave our mids virtually zero chance of winning a clearance....that has absolutely zero to do with our midfielders pace or perceived lack thereof

The big fella needs to lift big time in the centre ball ups especially if we are to figure in September.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Be nice to play you guys at our home with our supplied umpires

Yea, well we now start playing games away from that sterile, piece of s**t, TV studio known as Etihad stadium. So we'll get a better idea of where we are at then.

 

[TrainRoo32]

Nothing wrong with living in Brixton champ...great spot to be around...

I must have been there wrong time of the year

 

[VSTone]

I'd be interested to see Sauce's HO to advantage stat for the game, the number of times he put it down the Dog's midfielders throat especially Wallis was very frustrating to watch and on a number of occasions gave our mids virtually zero chance of winning a clearance....that has absolutely zero to do with our midfielders pace or perceived lack thereof

The big fella needs to lift big time in the centre ball ups especially if we are to figure in September.

WTF was going on in there? do we have any system at all...? do we have a smart talker/director on Sauces 6? if not why not?
or is it all pre-planned hit it to me talk?... the Bulldogs appeared so much more organised...

 

[Ozil]

Lynch saying the team though tex was great on sat night, if he took those marks he would have been best on. Can't see him being dropped, neither should he be.

I thought he looked clearly hampered by injury (forget what it was) throughout the game but had the better of Roberts in most contests. Just couldn't stick them, as you said.

Definitely shouldn't be dropped, from my perspective. An effort like that from a big guy running at less than 100% is fantastic.

 

[rocket18]

Maybe because he's an inside midfielder. Thats what he's supposed to do.

That's kind of my point, he is in there all the time so when we get smashed in the middle he needs to shoulder alot of the responsibility.

 

[Bicks]

WTF was going on in there? do we have any system at all...? do we have a smart talker/director on Sauces 6? if not why not?
or is it all pre-planned hit it to me talk?... the Bulldogs appeared so much more organised...

I think it has little to do with set ups or systems at present because if Sauce is putting it down the throat of Wallis on a number of occasions either Wallis is a mind reader or Sauce is just not directing his palming accurately. Let's face it neither of the opposing rucks are considered in the top echelon going around currently...I just think our mids are getting a bit of a bum rap due to Sauce's ineffectual tap work and lack of form in that area of his game. Without watching the game again that was my impression on the weekend anyhow, and he certainly hasn't been giving our mids the "armchair" ride of past seasons at Centre bounces and to a less extent ball ups around the ground where it's more body on body..

 

[crowsup]

We got the wrong end of the umpiring. Doesn't explain how we screwed up 100+ times with everything else.

If you: Can't hold onto tackles, can't tackle within the new rules of the game, can't hold onto marks, can't pick the bloody ball up off the ground, can't hit a target 2 meters away from you, drop the ball for no reason before kicking it, won't go for the ball when it's your turn to go, let your man constantly get 15+ meters on you, let your opponent lead you to the ball most of the night, make stupid choice after stupid choice, I could go on and on, it's hardly the fault of the umpires.

What a load of crap!

 

[little graham]

Channel ten spoke to the umpiring dood who rekons stats dont matter, what matters is whats there or not, some footscary idiot thinks they were and that was it, story over.

Thats it, officially covered up again. Channel ten doesn't need to follow the afl line, they're independent. They're choosing to protect the cheats.

 

[displacedaussie]

This week's coaches votes:

10 – Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)
8 – Josh Jenkins (Adelaide)
5 – Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Luke Dalhaus (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)
1 – Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)

That gives us the following breakdown:

Bontempelli: 10 = 5+5
Jenkins: 8 = 4+4
Stringer: 5 = 3+2
Dalhaus: 3 = 3+0 or 1+2
Liberatore: 3 = 1+2 or 3+0
Wallis: 1 = 1

And therefore by coach:

Coach 1

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore
Wallis

Coach 2

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Liberatore/Dalhaus
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore

 

[DroppingTheBall]

Imagine McGuire's reaction if he had come to Adelaide and watched his team get blatantly cheated on by SA umpires. Do you think he would play it calm and collected?

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[VSTone]

I think it has little to do with set ups or systems at present because if Sauce is putting it down the throat of Wallis on a number of occasions either Wallis is a mind reader or Sauce is just not directing his palming accurately. Let's face it neither of the opposing rucks are considered in the top echelon going around currently...I just think our mids are getting a bit of a bum rap due to Sauce's ineffectual tap work and lack of form in that area of his game. Without watching the game again that was my impression on the weekend anyhow, and he certainly hasn't been giving our mids the "armchair" ride of past seasons at Centre bounces and to a less extent ball ups around the ground where it's more body on body..

I haven't looked at the replay either, i don't want to get caught up in the wtf with the umpiring inconsistency...
might have to have a look now...

 

[little graham]

This week's coaches votes:

10 – Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)
8 – Josh Jenkins (Adelaide)
5 – Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Luke Dalhaus (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)
1 – Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)

That gives us the following breakdown:

Bontempelli: 10 = 5+5
Jenkins: 8 = 4+4
Stringer: 5 = 3+2
Dalhaus: 3 = 3+0 or 1+2
Liberatore: 3 = 1+2 or 3+0
Wallis: 1 = 1

And therefore by coach:

Coach 1

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore
Wallis

Coach 2

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Liberatore/Dalhaus
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore

So in reality, Jenkins is officially a match winner now.Wins big games off his own boot.

Still think we should trade him and Hartigan to FF.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Said it before and I'll say it again.

Until Thommo retires we will continue to struggle in big games, he is the alpha male who is in at every centre bounce.

Everyone will poo poo me, fair enough but he doesn't contribute to team defense, his only strength is stoppage work and that is only if Sauce puts it down his throat - if Sauce misses him by a metre Thommo is too slow or gives away a free kick.

His disposal is poor - how many times does the opposition mark his kicks.
His decision making is poor - how many times does he handball it to a guy about to get tackled.
His defensive side is non existant - he just jogs along trailing their midfielders.
Whilst he has historically high tackle numbers (as he should have attending so many stoppages) - if the bloke he is tackling isn't stationary he gives away the free or the guy breaks his tackle

He is a favourite son but the game has gone past him, we have an abundance of inside mids. Get em in.

You've looked at one game there in isolation compared to the other 6

Not much research there

 

[Scorpus]

This week's coaches votes:

10 – Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)
8 – Josh Jenkins (Adelaide)
5 – Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Luke Dalhaus (Western Bulldogs)
3 – Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)
1 – Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)

That gives us the following breakdown:

Bontempelli: 10 = 5+5
Jenkins: 8 = 4+4
Stringer: 5 = 3+2
Dalhaus: 3 = 3+0 or 1+2
Liberatore: 3 = 1+2 or 3+0
Wallis: 1 = 1

And therefore by coach:

Coach 1

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore
Wallis

Coach 2

Bontempelli
Jenkins
Liberatore/Dalhaus
Stringer
Dalhaus/Liberatore

Why wouldn't a coach give Jenkins 5 for kicking 8 goals?

 

[Bone71]

You've looked at one game there in isolation compared to the other 6

Not much research there

Nope, Rockets run down has been pretty clear for a number of seasons now, I know I have been bitching to my mates about him for that long.

 

[6BTS]

What a load of crap!

That's it? Most people have constructive feedback, this is just a dumb opinion. Maybe you're too gutless to explain why or maybe you can't.

 

[Ramify]

Said it before and I'll say it again.

Until Thommo retires we will continue to struggle in big games, he is the alpha male who is in at every centre bounce.

Everyone will poo poo me, fair enough but he doesn't contribute to team defense, his only strength is stoppage work and that is only if Sauce puts it down his throat - if Sauce misses him by a metre Thommo is too slow or gives away a free kick.

His disposal is poor - how many times does the opposition mark his kicks.
His decision making is poor - how many times does he handball it to a guy about to get tackled.
His defensive side is non existant - he just jogs along trailing their midfielders.
Whilst he has historically high tackle numbers (as he should have attending so many stoppages) - if the bloke he is tackling isn't stationary he gives away the free or the guy breaks his tackle

He is a favourite son but the game has gone past him, we have an abundance of inside mids. Get em in.

I said things like this a few times last year .
So far this year he has been as good as I remember until the past game and a half.
His tackling,pace and disposal have all been better than the majority of last year.
I've backflipped on my position from last year somewhat as I feel he has more to offer the team this year than he did with DAnger in the side, but He is a very old man and needs to be managed. If we play him through without strategically assigned rests, I can see him getting worse than this.
I think this is as much about coaching as it is about Thommo.

 

[Brentmeister]

Tex just couldn't make it happen on Saturday night, but f*** me that 60m snap across the body to Eddie with 2 minutes to go was just ridiculous.