Rumour GFC 2019 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists.

[Drunkcat]

I think our Freddie mite turn into a Hipwood after seeing Freddie for the first time I like the looks of him

 

[iameviljez]

The trouble with blueprint is its probably not repeatable.. PPicks.. 2 picks in the top 5 and the right draft to do it

Eagles and Tigers both managed it in a sense, though - they spent hard early to get their key forward, and built the rest of the side after that.

 

[Turbocat]

Eagles and Tigers both managed it in a sense, though - they spent hard early to get their key forward, and built the rest of the side after that.

The Eagles are still running around with Kennedy as their best KPF.. Tigers got Riewoldt at 8... I dont think there is any perfect overlay.. what we have done so far has been understandable .. the question is can we find a KPF as we have found a KPD for the Rookie B pick in Blitz or a local like Stewart etc.
All we can do is be aware of an impending need..and if an opportunity presents itself to grab it with both hands...but one thing is clear..its more important to have the right midfield than KPF to win a flag.. so if they lose kelly they will look at a way to top it back up again.

 

[iameviljez]

one thing is clear..its more important to have the right midfield than KPF to win a flag

Totally agree, but it's easier to put together a good midfield.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

+1 this. We are night and day in a different position to where we were last year. When we look for a Hawkins replacement what are we adding? Last year losing Hawkins meant losing the forward line, but this year we're in a totally different position. Maybe someone who can take the odd contested grab or simply disrupt intercept defenders would be good enough in an environment where 3 of the top 5 Coleman leaders currently are small/medium forwards.

I don't think we should be looking for a Hawkins replacement for two reasons.
A) It's not as urgent and pressing as it was last year
B) We have a stack of talls in the VFL who can provide the odd contested mark/goal and bring it to ground favourably for our forwards
C) You can't really replace a player of Tom's calibre anyway. Not without selling the farm or cooking the player payments structure.
D) Replacing Kelly is far more urgent

Unless a Tom Lynch style free agent pops up, nominates us, and accepts a salary that would fit our player payments structure then i just don't see any value over a strategy of trying to develop what we have and taking best available mid at the draft. If we want to drop buzza / trade smith then there's a reasonable number of talls that will fall to the late first round.

The only trade the farm strategy i would endorse is one where we replace Kelly with Coniglio or similar

I think its more urgent than last year to replace Hawkins bc he is a year older.
I am not convinced by any of the current KPF options we have Savs struggles illustrate that.
Every club just about needs a quality KPF so waiting until Hawkins retires is a strategy that backs us into a corner bc every club will fight for them with us (see Lynch).
I would like to see us work on a solution now if we can.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Of course if we lost Kelly and Billings was interested in moving etc.. I wasn't really trying to say that..I was unclear sorry.

Billing is OOC. So is Gresham. So is Marshall. Billings current form will mean a much better contract ..and if Stk are chasing players like the ones mentioned .. it wouldn't surprise me to see they move someone.

I was more thinking someone like Steven who they would just move a year early.Not that I'd pay a lot for him. Tomlinson and Martin would obviously get games and push someone out but probably not someone who helps with their SC.

Of course you maybe right.. perhaps they have a heap of room ..even after Hanneberry.

They might offload Steven bc of other reasons. He is probably their highest paid player since Riewoldt retired but until recently only Bruce and maybe Ross and Roberton would have been the only other guys on big money (Billings and Gresham will be next year but wouldnt have been in previous years) i cant see how they would have reached the cap floor without frontloading.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Need to consider Key/Marking Forward talent that are not getting a go on other team's lists.

Just to name a few, not sure its that exciting:

Connor Ballenden - Lions
Toby Wooller - Lions
Patrick Kerr - Blues
Tom De Konig - Blues
Hugh Dixon - Dockers
Jake Waterman - Eagles
Jarrod Brander - Eagles
Jon Patton - Giants
Nick Larkey - NM

Kerr would be difficult to get with the family connection i assume the same with Waterman though i like him.

They will probably want to hang onto De Koning as he might become a ruck as their rucks are old or crap.

Brisbane will want Ballenden but they might let Wooller go if they can only keep one of them (although he is contracted).

I assume we will ask for Brander again and WCE will say no again (he is contracted for another 2 years). I wonder if we can convince Kelly to go to Freo and try to get one of Cox Dixon or Taberner in that trade.

I would be asking questions of Hayes at Port although he is contracted too.

Larkey did win the Frosty Miller last year so might be worth a look cheap. Patton is worth considering but probably only if they sell him cheap-he is on huge money and a big risk with his knees.

Wright is the more obvious one because hes out of contract although might cost a lot. So is Weideman but i prefer Wright.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think its more urgent than last year to replace Hawkins bc he is a year older.
I am not convinced by any of the current KPF options we have Savs struggles illustrate that.
Every club just about needs a quality KPF so waiting until Hawkins retires is a strategy that backs us into a corner bc every club will fight for them with us (see Lynch).
I would like to see us work on a solution now if we can.

You may be right but i think the key part is "if we can" part. Remember we wouldn't have been able to draft him in the first place without him being F/S so don't know how we'd really replace him.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I think its more urgent than last year to replace Hawkins bc he is a year older.
I am not convinced by any of the current KPF options we have Savs struggles illustrate that.
Every club just about needs a quality KPF so waiting until Hawkins retires is a strategy that backs us into a corner bc every club will fight for them with us (see Lynch).
I would like to see us work on a solution now if we can.

Melbourne Football Club strongly agrees with all of this. Their forward line is putrid and they're getting plenty of looks at it. Missing Hogan more than everyone predicted.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You may be right but i think the key part is "if we can" part. Remember we wouldn't have been able to draft him in the first place without him being F/S so don't know how we'd really replace him.

I agree thats the hard bit although if Kelly goes we will have probably at least 2 x R1s this year so for the first time in a long time we will have the currency to get a quality KPF if we can convince them to come and can pay the sort of wages needed.

 

[Turbocat]

They might offload Steven bc of other reasons. He is probably their highest paid player since Riewoldt retired but until recently only Bruce and maybe Ross and Roberton would have been the only other guys on big money (Billings and Gresham will be next year but wouldnt have been in previous years) i cant see how they would have reached the cap floor without frontloading.

Bottom sides sometimes pay overs... I think they look on the right track again with form and a return to Morrabinin ..

 

[Turbocat]

Melbourne Football Club strongly agrees with all of this. Their forward line is putrid and they're getting plenty of looks at it. Missing Hogan more than everyone predicted.

Its not Hogan they are missing...

 

[catswhiskers]

Any one else like the look of Shai Bolton (RFC).

Have seen him play a few VFL games the last couple of years and he looked very good . His work until he was dropped this year at AFL level was good.

Are there problems I don't see or know about.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Any one else like the look of Shai Bolton (RFC).

Have seen him play a few VFL games the last couple of years and he looked very good . His work until he was dropped this year at AFL level was good.

Are there problems I don't see or know about.

Hes good and out of contract but we have a decent lot of small forwards...if he improved his tank to play wing id be keen.

 

[Turbocat]

Hes good and out of contract but we have a decent lot of small forwards...if he improved his tank to play wing id be keen.

I think we have other needs .

 

[CatRiot]

Kerr would be difficult to get with the family connection i assume the same with Waterman though i like him.

They will probably want to hang onto De Koning as he might become a ruck as their rucks are old or crap.

Brisbane will want Ballenden but they might let Wooller go if they can only keep one of them (although he is contracted).

I assume we will ask for Brander again and WCE will say no again (he is contracted for another 2 years). I wonder if we can convince Kelly to go to Freo and try to get one of Cox Dixon or Taberner in that trade.

I would be asking questions of Hayes at Port although he is contracted too.

Larkey did win the Frosty Miller last year so might be worth a look cheap. Patton is worth considering but probably only if they sell him cheap-he is on huge money and a big risk with his knees.

Wright is the more obvious one because hes out of contract although might cost a lot. So is Weideman but i prefer Wright.

Weideman not good enough IMO, but not saying his worse off than the original list either.

 

[Turbocat]

Kerr would be difficult to get with the family connection i assume the same with Waterman though i like him.

They will probably want to hang onto De Koning as he might become a ruck as their rucks are old or crap.

Brisbane will want Ballenden but they might let Wooller go if they can only keep one of them (although he is contracted).

I assume we will ask for Brander again and WCE will say no again (he is contracted for another 2 years). I wonder if we can convince Kelly to go to Freo and try to get one of Cox Dixon or Taberner in that trade.

I would be asking questions of Hayes at Port although he is contracted too.

Larkey did win the Frosty Miller last year so might be worth a look cheap. Patton is worth considering but probably only if they sell him cheap-he is on huge money and a big risk with his knees.

Wright is the more obvious one because hes out of contract although might cost a lot. So is Weideman but i prefer Wright.

Kerr must be starting to get a few "riddle me this" questions .. where does he fit?

You look at that Brisbane list and they have a whole heap of depth in his height.. same sort of question. Brisbane have got a good group of talls that have 5 plust year ahead.. basically the best 22 has the "No Vacancy" sign up.

AS much Id be interested in most of these .. id feel we are still sipping the hot soup at the edges.. We really dont know if any of these guys are up to it.

Where as a 2mp you do know what he can bring from day1. Its why I ambitiously raised Curnow.. One knows what he can do at the level .. Maybe if Brander got in and played 5-10 games and kicked 15-20 goals Id be prepared to bite hard.

Its going to be quite tantalising to watch which way we go. Do we go for the spacfilla type or the ten year player.. the value player that has lost a bit of face but we can see the underlying promise .. or do we just go for gold and pay what it takes... we have done all 4 in the past.. and Danger being the last ..is pretty hard to argue against.

 

[year of the cat]

Got to say, Parish does nothing for me. Can’t see any real weapons that he brings to AFL level. Reckon we can get a better mid elsewhere.

 

[Turbocat]

Got to say, Parish does nothing for me. Can’t see any real weapons that he brings to AFL level. Reckon we can get a better mid elsewhere.

He looks light on for weapons for a Top10 pick but he gets across the ground well , I could see how we would like him..but is he much better than what Shannon Byrnes was ? Put it this way , I doubt he is a replacement for tkelly
Edit: The tracker has him at 147M per minute so that is a big part of his game. In a more structured game plan I think he would be a better player..im not sure that the tidal wave ess style really suits him.

 

[Turbocat]

Kerr would be difficult to get with the family connection i assume the same with Waterman though i like him.

They will probably want to hang onto De Koning as he might become a ruck as their rucks are old or crap.

Brisbane will want Ballenden but they might let Wooller go if they can only keep one of them (although he is contracted).

I assume we will ask for Brander again and WCE will say no again (he is contracted for another 2 years). I wonder if we can convince Kelly to go to Freo and try to get one of Cox Dixon or Taberner in that trade.

I would be asking questions of Hayes at Port although he is contracted too.

Larkey did win the Frosty Miller last year so might be worth a look cheap. Patton is worth considering but probably only if they sell him cheap-he is on huge money and a big risk with his knees.

Wright is the more obvious one because hes out of contract although might cost a lot. So is Weideman but i prefer Wright.

Apparently Port are sniffing around Cockatoo ....

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I agree thats the hard bit although if Kelly goes we will have probably at least 2 x R1s this year so for the first time in a long time we will have the currency to get a quality KPF if we can convince them to come and can pay the sort of wages needed.

Maybe, but i also think a big part of finding someone to trade in for unders is making the player really want to come, and to do that you need to really need them.

Consider this year. We pick up Dahlhaus and Rohan for pick 61 and a minor amount of cap. Why does Dahlhaus want us? Because he's a natural pressure forward being played as a mid at his old club. How appreciated do you think he felt there? Rohan being told to just clear space for buddy? We had no pressure forwarfs and Dahlhaus wanted to come to fill a Dahlhaus shaped hole. Rohan came to fill a Rohan shaped hole. If you go back to 2015 and look at the cats midfield you realize that Dangerfield came to fill a Dangerfield shaped hole.

If we try to trade for a Hawkins replacement now we're trying to get them into the VFL side until Hawkins retires. Not sure I'd lead with that in a sales pitch.

Consider the Lynch trade as something we'd want to replicate. Lynch looked at the Richmond game style and saw a flood of entries and only one tall forward getting on the end of them.

My thinking is that if we're going the be a good trade destination for a kpf we need first, a job opening, and second we need to increase our total entries.

So for me if we're looking at trade target for 2020 then it's to fill a Kelly shaped hole. If nothing presents and we have two firsts then i would say best 180+cm mids for both.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Apparently Port are sniffing around Cockatoo ....

Would take for butters

 

[catswhiskers]

from P.O. "Hes good and out of contract but we have a decent lot of small forwards...if he improved his tank to play wing id be keen".

IMO Specialist small forwards are more important than ever.

We have three smalls up forward at AFL level. Miers, Dahl, Atkins. Two are there for their tackling / pressure. Only one of them is a specialist small forward.

Tarca is just getting some traction in VFL but unless Bolton has some issues or would be too expensive, I would put him into the basket with the two specialist small forwards we have : Tarca, Miers (and Bolton).

 

[CatRiot]

Would take for butters

Or Rozee or Duursma... All three are gold.

With Duursma could get some loose change with that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Melbourne Football Club strongly agrees with all of this. Their forward line is putrid and they're getting plenty of looks at it. Missing Hogan more than everyone predicted.

Whilst i agree they're missing Hogan, i think they're missing a great number of things more. Defenders that are fit for one, wingers with pace for two, and a small forward for three. Probably add a preseason as a fourth.

The trade they did for Hogan was fine i thought. The pick 6 trade is what hurt them.