Unofficial Preview Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 21 vs. Melbourne, Fri 05/08, 7:50pm MCG

[noideaatall]

But he would want to do this more than once or twice. Quality is certainly important, but if this tackle, superb and timely as it may have been, was the only thing he did of significance (which I am not saying was the case as I have not seen his stats), then would that have been sufficient to guarantee him a game next week?

There really isn't anyone pressing him for his spot so I don't want to suggest he should be omitted (I have already copped enough flak over my unpopular mental health stance). However let's at least apply some perspective to the performance. Does anyone have his stats from last week? I'd love to love the boy - just give me a statistical foundation on which to build this love.

He doesn't get much of the ball so I'd assume, knowing very little about stats, pressure acts would be the key.

 

[Doc1763]

It was just reported on channel 7 that there is an injury setback for another Collingwood star. No idea who they were talking about.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He doesn't get much of the ball so I'd assume, knowing very little about stats, pressure acts would be the key.

Exactly - that plus tackles. That's what I want to see. Along with a kick and hand pass or two.

 

[Jen2310]

Grundy


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[gouki88]

But he would want to do this more than once or twice. Quality is certainly important, but if this tackle, superb and timely as it may have been, was the only thing he did of significance (which I am not saying was the case as I have not seen his stats), then would that have been sufficient to guarantee him a game next week?

There really isn't anyone pressing him for his spot so I don't want to suggest he should be omitted (I have already copped enough flak over my unpopular mental health stance). However let's at least apply some perspective to the performance. Does anyone have his stats from last week? I'd love to love the boy - just give me a statistical foundation on which to build this love.

Top 20 in the competition for tackles I50 (Elliott is #1!), top 10% in the league for tackles as a forward, top 35% in the league for average pressure acts as a forward, top 10% in 1%ers per game as a forward.

Not at all glamour stats, but huge to our forward half pressure

 

[Jen2310]

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[gouki88]

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Any idea on the seriousness?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Top 20 in the competition for tackles I50 (Elliott is #1!), top 10% in the league for tackles as a forward, top 35% in the league for average pressure acts as a forward, top 10% in 1%ers per game as a forward.

Not at all glamour stats, but huge to our forward half pressure

I want to see his stats for the last week or two. Player stat averages don't protect them from a drop in form. I have seen some good games from him, but nothing in recent weeks that would suggest his spot in the team is set in concrete. Henry enjoyed the same level of support on this board with numerous posters all but claiming him untouchable - until he was omitted. Am I asking for too much?

 

[gouki88]

I want to see his stats for the last week or two. Player stat averages don't protect them from a drop in form. I have seen some good games from him, but nothing in recent weeks that would suggest his spot in the team is set in concrete. Henry enjoyed the same level of support on this board with numerous posters all but claiming him untouchable - until he was omitted. Am I asking for too much?

His tackles & pressure acts have been fairly in line with average.

Except against Port, he registered 32 pressure acts. That is by far the most for the whole game. 32 is elite.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Any idea on the seriousness?

If he misses a couple of games he can forget a return this season. No way should he play his first game for months in the finals. I would rather stick with the 2 guys who have presided over our last 10 wins.

 

[gouki88]

If he misses a couple of games he can forget a return this season. No way should he play his first game for months in the finals. I would rather stick with the 2 guys who have presided over our last 10 wins.

Yeah, that kind of experimentation come finals time would be madness. Hopefully it's just a minor tweak so we are fully fit for September with Brodie and Taylor.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

His tackles & pressure acts have been fairly in line with average.

Except against Port, he registered 32 pressure acts. That is by far the most for the whole game. 32 is elite.

Thanks.

 

[JuniorB]

He CAN definitely play behind the ball, but WHY...when we've been crying out for some true forwards for a decade do we send a REAL one to half back. Howe was sent there initially by Melb because he wasn't able to convert as a forward. Ollie has shown he can convert. For mine, you build a forward line around Checkers, Johnson, Ollie, Elliot and Ginnivan. Let the opposition try and stop all of them!

I agree with you.
Ollie's future is as a forward - he's already kicked some magical goals.
And Checkers won't be around forever. Different type of player, though.
It's more that he COULD play back at a pinch.

 

[MoreMoore]

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I don't disagree with you. As I said, I'd rather we kept Ollie.

On what you proposed though, I actually think Ash Johnson would be a better Howe replacement lol

Has the same leap as Howe, faster runner, taller and bigger body.

think Murphy is Howes apprentice

 

[domus]

I

think Murphy is Howes apprentice

McStay might be coming as a defender. He could replace Howe when he steps away.

 

[MoreMoore]

McStay might be coming as a defender. He could replace Howe when he steps away.

I think he replaces Roughead
We are playing too short in defence

 

[Jafo]

 

[pablo disco bar]

If he misses a couple of games he can forget a return this season. No way should he play his first game for months in the finals. I would rather stick with the 2 guys who have presided over our last 10 wins.

Ffs

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Ffs

What's your problem? Do tell.

 

[gouki88]

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New recruit

 

[Matrix10]

If he misses a couple of games he can forget a return this season. No way should he play his first game for months in the finals. I would rather stick with the 2 guys who have presided over our last 10 wins.

Put a fork in him

 

[anshell]

Put a fork in him

Why?Because Tom Browne is doing his usual catastrophising about Collingwood injuries?

 

[Mollythedolly]

Yes I think it coincided with injury, an extreme measure by normal standards, I assume they wouldn’t have given him the length of time to build his fitness base if we were on the cusp of finals. It reinforces my argument that you don’t always need to select your best players week in week out, and that at times it can make sense to give players extra time in order to recover, rest or build form.

I’m suggesting a select few could do with a spell to ensure they are cherry ripe for finals.

Doubt we’ll ever look at selecting players who are unavailable due to injury. Also doubt it reinforces your argument that we didn’t and even sent Swanny OS while he was. Very long bow.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Well done Molly. Great example of using skewed data to justify Grundy.

What’s glaring is that in his six games he averages 2.5 marks per game. But, Grundy’s last game produced 6 marks. After he copped a rocket. Without them he only had 1.5 per game. And now in the VFL he couldn’t even manage his average. With a big fat zero.

Cameron and Cox need only be compared in the games when they were free to play the ruck roles. These past 10 weeks combining together. That’s where they’ve almost averaged 10 marks per game combined. That’s what’s given us impetus to win those games. Not just their marking but set ups behind play blocking the entries.

Grundy doesn’t do that. And he needs to for us to succeed.


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Oh wow, Grundy has games where he has more marks than in others? Lucky Cox and Cameron are consistently hitting their averages…. oh wait…

….. and shock horror, Cox and Cameron take more marks combined than Grundy does on his own… clearly earth shattering analysis.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Fair enough. I don't see Grundy offering a better option as a forward nor as a extra pair of hands in defense. I am a Cox fan but I don't see the immediate upside Fly assures us will be apparent whenever Brodie returns.

But we can all comfortably assume that any game we lose with Grundy in the team, BF will proclaim it’s Grundy’s fault.